Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject: Bobtail Registration - retrospective registrations
I've just received this from the KC:
Quote:
I can confirm that we can register as bobtailed retrospectively. In order to do this we require a covering letter along with a supporting vet's letter (practice headed paper). The amendments are free of charge, however if a new registration certificate showing the amendment is required, the current owner certificate should be returned along with the letters and a fee of £5 for the new certificate.
Please do not hesitate to contact us should you require any further information.
Kind regards
James Smith
Client Services Administrator
Registration Department
The Kennel Club
Tel: 0870 606 6750
Fax: 01296 486725
_________________ Annie
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After my discussion with the KC this is the outcome:-
The KC have a set description for Bobtail - Naturally tail-less dog or a dog with a tail docked very short. Alternative name for the Old English Sheepdog.
Only the word bobtail will be allowed to be annotated to a dog's registration
A vet must certify on headed practice paper that the dog is a 'bobtail', no other description will be accepted (for example, 'dog has not been docked', 'no surgical procedure has been carried out on this dog's tail', or 'dog born with shorter tail than usual' etc)
The KC will register dogs as bobtailed retrospectively provided a covering letter is sent to the KC with the correct wording on the vet's certificate
If the KC receives a letter from a vet stating that said dog has a naturally bobbed tail, they will register it as such.
A new certificate will be issued for a payment of £5
Any bobtail puppies can be registered as such at birth with the correct wording on the vets certificate only.
No other length of tail will be considered to be a bobtail nor annotated to the registration
Quote:
"Only dogs born with bobtails will be recorded as bobtailed, no other length of tail will be recorded by the Kennel Club, whether or not they carry bobtail genes"
The dog must be identified in some way by the vet and this identification noted on the certificate
The only breeds considered for this meantime are Australian Shepherd, Boxer, Brittany, Old English Sheepdog, Polish Lowland Sheepdog, Schipperke, Swedish Vallhund , Welsh Corgi (Pembroke)
Hope this helps
Annie _________________ Annie
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The KC have a set description for Bobtail - Naturally tail-less dog or a dog with a tail docked very short.
How can a Bobtail be...short dock
Myabe I am missing something?
I would say you have a really good axe to put in KC grinding machine, with that little doozie!!!!!!!! _________________ "...amitie, respect mutuel et amour..."
Since moving down here I've not needed my new vet much and he hadn't seen the girls so when I went for Belle's jab today, I took both of them in and told him he had a small test to do. I asked him to examine both tails and tell me whether either of them was a natural bobtail or if they were both docked. He had a good old feel - the facial expressions on Belle and Freckles were quite priceless.
He is very experienced - a gentleman of about 50+ - and we live in gun dog country so over the years he would have done a lot of docking and the occasional damage limitation amputations too I'm told.
He said that Belle was docked to one vertebrae, and that Freckles must be natural as shehad no cvertebra at all, just a pad of flesh and a twist of tail.
In actual fact, Belle is a natural bobtail and freckles was banded - that I can guarantee as I bred her and watched my then vet do all 11 of them - neither parent carried the gene obviously.
But it means that my vet cannot tell the difference, and would have been prepared to give me a bobtail certificate for Freckles. Where exactly does that leave our breed???
Annie _________________ Annie
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I've had a similar experience to you Anne.... We have a new vet after moving across exeter... he told me that whom ever docked Monet, docked him too short... Monet as some of you are aware is a natural bob - the vet concerned has never seen a Brittany - so you've all got a long way to go to educate vets about natural bob-tails... For my part i told him to look at the breed standards on the BCGB web site as i didn't feel like getting into a deep conversation regarding tails
oh dear! suddenly realised, that i do hope that there is something on there regarding tails .... hmm what grammar
Perhaps you could show him the KC message Sallie I think that I might give a copy to my vet as well _________________ Jan
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But it means that my vet cannot tell the difference, and would have been prepared to give me a bobtail certificate for Freckles. Where exactly does that leave our breed???
Annie
Would he actually have given you a certificate? I would suspect most vets would be very wary of putting their reputation on the line in this way. What would they have to gain? For that matter, could any of our experienced breeders examine say 6 totally unknown dogs and say which ones have been docked?
Maybe I am missing something here but why is it so important to get it recorded. If the dog was born before the docking ban then surely it is irrelevant. If they were born after the ban then they should have been seen by a vet shortly after birth so the vet should already have a record. I have a tail-less bitch born in 2005. I cannot think of any reason why I would want it added to her details at the KC. The only possibility would be if, say I wanted to sell her to someone else for breeding. Most people in 'Brittany' circles would surely be able to tell from her pedigree whether I was likely to be telling the truth - and in any event even if one of the parents is tail-less or bob-tail it does not guarantee that the puppies will inherit this? _________________ If your dog thinks you are the best do not seek a second opinion!
could any of our experienced breeders examine say 6 totally unknown dogs and say which ones have been docked?
Doubt it, I wouldn't be 100% sure and that's what I've been trying to tell the KC - that this is a total waste of their energies! But they don't listen to people like us!
_________________ Annie
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- the vet concerned has never seen a Brittany - so you've all got a long way to go to educate vets about natural bob-tails... For my part i told him to look at the breed standards on the BCGB web site as i didn't feel like getting into a deep conversation regarding tails 
.... hmm what grammar 
I think that I might give a copy to my vet as well 