Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: Bringers, brockers and the rest
An interesting point came up during a discussion on cross breeds the other day. While a Brittany, springer or cocker (among others) can be legally docked the same does not apply to crosses involving those breeds, as they (the progeny) are not included on the list of permitted dogs. Why then would anyone wanting a working dog go for a cross? _________________ My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
Why do people pay £800 for a Labradoodle Because there are either some damn good salespeople out there or, some people are dafter than they look _________________ Jan
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Pull [n or v] An equal and opposite force perpetrated on both ends of a lead that results in the inevitable tripping and falling of the human involved!!
what only £800 - I met a chap the other week who had paid £1500 for one that was in his words 'as mad as a box of frogs' and cost him as much again in vet bills as it had jumped out of a third floor window. _________________ Guy, Ellie, Topaz, Catja and in memory Barley
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Don't get me started on how much peeps are prepared to pay for a lifestyle accessory!
In response to the original post - docking is illegal in any but the described breeds and any crosses do not fall within the legislation.
I have paid a lot of money on my dogs - but the purchase price of all (bearing in mind two were essetially FOC) has been negligible compared to the cost of them in terms of care. My deerhound was advertised at £1000 but by the time I actually bought him and proved I was worthy he was significantly less and he came cheaper still when another pup buyer stood on his foot and broke a toe!!!!!! Do I care about purchase price - no! But I do want a realistic price that reflects breeders costs and the value of buying a life. _________________ Sue, Chase and the non-Brittany boys - Brice & Piper. Pets first and foremost.
The worst crosses I have come across were Sprockers...One of the vets Jessie went to visit had a Lab X Springer( looks like a short legged Lab )
I groom a Labradoodle..Mad as a hatter, pings like a Standard Poodle, way too much for its owners, and...fits
One very sweet one I have come across at Dog Club is a ...Cavalier X Cocker Yes, Jan...
It actually looks like an Mini American Cocker!
Poppy is a cross ... springerXcollie... i wish she could have been docked as she is forever catching her tail. I have hunted, done beating and shooting with her and it would have helped with a shorter tail. Its a hard question to answer really, but a docked tail would have benefitted her - she has caught it quite nastily and when she goes through brambles it has been known to have to cut her out!
In her defence and the defence of cross breeds, Poppy is fast; she retreives to hand; she will carry all game without leaving a mark in its flesh; flush and find lost game. She was the easiest dog to train... and can out do a certain young Brittany in the field!
So lets stop the persecution of dog breeds... there are good and bad qualities in every line of dog. people can buy what they want as long as they can afford their pet and meet the needs of the animal... at the end of the day it is the welfare of the dog that we should concern ourselves with.
I'm not too bothered whether i work with a cross breed or pedigree as long as it does the job i want it to do
As for docking, if the dog is used for hunting there should be an option set in place to dock.
I don't see anyone persecuting dog breeds per se- but persecuting people who try to sell something as a unique designer cross and demanding silly money, then yet I will persecute away .
On the subject of docking - I will have to remain ambivalent in some ways.........................I have 4 docked dogs and one non-docked. Which has had a tail injury (while not truly working but playing in brambles)? Now that would be the docked WSS who had a thorn injury on the tip of his dock, 4 months and hundreds of pounds later (having narrowly escaping being docked another vertebrae) I eventually got a sound spaniel back.
So my ambivalence is more related to the fact that even non-worked traditionally working breeds can sustain injury as they are apt to mimic the work they would do in their recreational activities. In current legislation Freddy is a show dog and would never have been docked - would his injury have ended in amputation, who knows????????????? _________________ Sue, Chase and the non-Brittany boys - Brice & Piper. Pets first and foremost.
I have posted previously on Zac's probs with an undocked tail and being an ESS. This was resolved by Nic, the very enlightened vet, who asked if I would like him to "dock, hmmm, partially amputate, his tail?" Zac has had no further probs with tail injuries in the past nine and a bit years. Could partial amputation become the new docking
I have a friend who paid silly money (in my opinion £500 is a silly amount) for a Labradoodle. It has a coarse flattish coat and sheds terribly This was not her expectation of a Labradoodle but all credit to her, after a difficult start, she now loves their dog. _________________ Lin, owned by Rudi and Copper the Brittanys & Zac the Springer.
I'm not too bothered whether i work with a cross breed or pedigree as long as it does the job i want it to do
As for docking, if the dog is used for hunting there should be an option set in place to dock.
In my original post I didn't intend it to appear that I objected in any way to people working cross breeds. Rather, i was trying to point out the problems that it could cause as these crosses are not able to be docked (legally) and as such can suffer tail damage through working.
The price of them doesn't really come into it for me. If someone is stupid enough to pay a fortune for a mongrel, that is their choice. _________________ My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
Agreed here John...Who is persecuting " Mongrels" oops, sorry crossbreds, it is more PC!
I love Mongrels too, tails or not...And not adverse to them .
I am a pet trainer and see many of those crosses. Lola, the X Cavalier is delightful and I am sure she would, maybe work!
Some crosses are not brilliant however. Sprockers( and I have seen a few, appear hyper, with an agressive tendency)
Some crosses are not a good idea. I was approached by someone wanting a Brit who owned an Akita/ Mastiff/ Staffie...hummm....and wanted to breed it.
Labradoodles are more in " glut" now hence £500, they used to be way way more.
Sorry., John, for disgressing.
Also? a Bringer comes into rescue...Let's say... Whose responsability is it? Brittany or Springer rescue?????? Irresponsible.
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