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guy · Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: Drontal

A few visits ago prior to our return to the UK our vet gave Catja Drontal by injection - she had a small hard reaction at the injection site that lasted about ten days. We thought nothing more about it.

i learned today that Berry - Topaz's brother had a massive allergic reaction to a similar injection and is now on steroids, antibiotics and painkillers with a possibility the area will need to be surgically removed if it goes necrotic.

Hence Fiona and Berry were not at Nat Gundog today.

I think this must be taken as a warning - does anyone else have experience of Drintal by injection or do they have Milbemax?
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doganjo · Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject:

I didn't even know that you could inject. I use Milbemax or Panacur but it's always been tablets. I have used Frontline Spot on as as kin treatment. Poor Fee she must be so worried. I hope Berrie's OK soon. You were lucky Catja didn't have such a bad reaction.
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Pippa's Pack · Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:18 pm Post subject:

We once found a lump on one of our dogs which the vet surgically removed. This turned out to have been caused by an antibiotic injection.

We give Drontal tablets but Soufee cannot have them as they make her really sick so we give her panacur.

Any allergic reaction in animals or humans can be really serious and sometimes fatal. A second exposure to the same substance usually results in a more severe reation than the first exposure so it is important to avoid a repetition.
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Patricia · Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject:

Guy, I have heard of this too...As a matter of fact it was when Debbie and I went to France to mate her bitch I think...Cannot recall if it was Debbie who told me or I heard it at the same time. As the bitch was due to be treated.
BUT...I refuse to have an injection for wormers. I take my own drontal and frontline when I go...It is cheaper and they get what I want them to have. Milbemax is quite favoured by many French vets I found...

highclare · Bretonnier Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 162 Location: Essex

Quite right Patrica I always take my own flea and worm treatment with me when I go abroad, the best thing to to.

The reason for the reaction after an injection can happen after ANY injection. That is when the needle is put under the skin it sometimes takes a tiny amount of dirt with it, then it becomes infected and a lump is fromed quite quickly. The best thing you can do is get antibiotics and massage the lump stopping it going hard, you should beable to dissapate the lump into the body preventing surgery on the hard lump!

Hope this helps, you know what vets are like they will not tell you to do this as they need your money LoL.

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barbara · Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject:

Our vet recommended Milbemax when I had the last pups which was so much easier than Panacur liquid. I now use Milbemax for all the dogs as Drontal makes some of them sick too. I won't be having any Drontal injections after reading this.

Des O'Neile · Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:07 pm Post subject:

Drontal is a TM of the Bayer Sa.group. I use Advocate pour on which does everything, round worms, lice, fleas, ear mites etc. except tapes and Advocate is also a Bayer product. I use Drontal tablets when I need to do for tapes.

Very surprised that you can go to a foreign vet and have them administer a tablet you brought with you when you want to come back into the country! I thought the whole idea of having the vet administer the 24 hour wormer for the PETS scheme was to underpin the safeguards inherent in the scheme.

Wyngold · Bretonnier Joined: 14 May 2007 Posts: 131

From a technician standpoint...
The ingredient "Droncit" the praziquantal component does cause site reactions. For that reason the Vets I have worked with only use the injectable in fractious dogs that will not accept tablets.

I do not see how it would be a problem for Pills to be "prescribed" to be administed by a Vet for documentation purposes while traveling would be a problem. The Vet at point of departure still has to certify that the medication was given. For the return H.C.

I think some reasonable form of verifying is important.

Our USA documentation is rather simple and our "International" certificates are valid for a return trip if it is less than 2 weeks.
What the rules on that will change to if traveling to countries endemic with Leishimaniasis is another thing. There recently were some hounds in the Southern US that never left the country that were diagnosed with it.
Most probably brought in by Military personel returning with rescued dogs from mediteranian or middle eastern countires.
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Mugi · Bretonnier Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 1304

I was quite surprised that it would be possible to take Frontline and Drontal with me as it is possible to source it without prescription and therefore potentially get cheaper fakes. Now for me I would buy from a reputable source regardless of cost as it is also for the benefit of my dog but not all people necessarily think the same (hasten to add I am not thinking fo forum members here).

Whatever, the vet we visited in Gujan Mestras was very thorough and prices for a full exam, administration and supply of meds was comparable to what I would have paid for the same service in the UK.

Pill administration is something I teach from puphood so I know that Chase will sit for his treat and washing down the pills with some cheese filched from the Ibis breakfast buffet made him totally happy with the whole experience of french drontal Wink

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Patricia · Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject:

I have been travelling with my Brittanys for some time now as I started showing Lorca some time ago in France from the beginning of passports.
...Now his grand daughter and daughter folow suite. Now, having toured France and visited many vets, I found: they ALL vary in price -even up to 60 Euros- and some 20E. for the same treatment. Finding all this a rip off, I started taking my own Frontline as I did not want to buy 3 pippettes. I was told by some French vets I could bring my drontal ( still in its wrapper) and showing date and 10-20 kgs pills. Ditto with Frontline which I buy on line.
Some vets are really funny about timing on the passport, some can be flexible! Some want to inject, some are happyfor you to bring your pate, some are useless and end up with a severely drowling dog who spits everything out.
Just like the UK, I get the number of the vet, and ask...for their price!! Andy and Sue got well ripped off in Cognac... But the lovely Vet in Alencon wanted the web site from Vet medic!!!