Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: New Parliament Group to discuss dog breeds
Has anyone seen this?
I'm told that any submissions made should be retained along with any read receipts or acknowledgements to avoid loss or alteration of electronic communications.
Perhaps our own breed is not affected but others are obviously under threat as is our freedom of choice.
Annie
Click to download file _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
I hope we submit something otherwise I can see a repeat of taildocking and hunting legislation being introduced. _________________ Guy, Ellie, Topaz, Catja and in memory Barley
Beauty from Structure
www.epagneulbreton.org.uk
I just spotted it when trawling another site so I don't know if it has gone out to Clubs, but I'll email it to Paul too in case he hasn't seen it yet. _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
If you follow the link at the top of the page it shows that the group is supported and facilitated by the RSPCA so it's obviously totally impartial in it's views on animal welfare .
One thing that raises a concern with me is the fact that the document posted by Annie suggests contacting a mobile number for further info but the person whose number it is isn't a member of the group. _________________ My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
I think we must be very vigilant on this one. I can see only a small leap of imagination to say that a bob tail EB is because of a genetic fault and therefore 'unhealthy' _________________ Guy, Ellie, Topaz, Catja and in memory Barley
Beauty from Structure
www.epagneulbreton.org.uk
I am no longer a member, and I am not a breeder, so my point of view isn't really relevant, but .....
isn't it true that the bob tail IS a gene defect and aren't all defects 'unhealthy' (or is my biology 'o' level incorrect) ... or are you going along the line of evolution
How would you pan out your argument to Law Lords, MPs etc.? You need in-depth evidence to back up your arugument that there are no health issues with the bob tail. Have there been any comparisons? These people are not into 'hearsay' but facts. Your response has to be well thought through and with a coherent argument agreed by not only breeders but also individuals throughout the 'show' and 'trial' fraternity, BCGB and more importantly YOU NEED professional/medical evidence on your side.
That is the problem though. Because our breed has been docked for so long bobtails had little extra intrinsic value except for no fee being required to dock them. So no records have been kept as to any health issues. In addition opinion varies from breeder to breeder as regards the results of mating bobtail to bobtail and bobtail to non-bobtail. One breeder has been known to say it causes spina bifida when Dr Bruce Cattanach said in his lecture that in fact the incidence of SB has been found in long tailed dogs. So all in all we have no proof or statistics as yet as to whether bobtails have any health issues. So we cannot fight any onslaught on our breed. _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
surely as long as we have numbers and documented evidence of health or otherwise then the fact this has not been historically analysed around taillessness does not matter. Once we have collected some current data about numbers born naturally tailless and how they are health wise some sensible extrapolations can be made. _________________ Guy, Ellie, Topaz, Catja and in memory Barley
Beauty from Structure
www.epagneulbreton.org.uk
That should certainly be the case but I think you are confusing sense and politics _________________ My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
OK, I'll start the ball rolling. I mated a bobtail dog to a bobtail bitch, 3 pups born (mated late in season), 2 dogs bobtail, 1 bitch long tail, no health issues at delivery or during first 8 weeks, no issues reported so far at 5 months.
But that is one litter - I compiled a list of litters containing bobtails some time ago, but wasn't given details of any health issues.
_________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
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