Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:16 pm Post subject: Stretching forward
I have right trouble getting Ben to stand sometimes. If I don't use food he's more interested in.. well anything! The dogs either side, passing leaves, basically anything that moves or smells (especially both)! BUT! If I do use food, he leans forward to sniff it. I've been advised to hold the food closer to his nose but that doesn't work, he just starts licking my hand. Another thing i've been told is to stand in front of him. Then he either sits or jumps up. I've tried improvising by sticking my knee infront of him so he can't stretch as much but it doesn't really stop him. Or if he's feeling particularly pesky, jumping over my knee like it's a hurdle. _________________ Hayley, Moss, Briar and Ben.
I am not sure of the question - you want him to lean forward and get weight over his front legs or do you don't want him to pull forward - as you use blocking techniques? _________________ Guy, Ellie, Topaz, Catja and in memory Barley
Beauty from Structure
www.epagneulbreton.org.uk
The dog should be trained as a puppy to stand four square by either giving the command 'stand stay' and placing the legs then rewarding, or by walking him/her into position (a dog which does this without feet being placed shows very good conformation and natural balance) _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
No, John, you know very well I didn't say that - I show Belle don't I? But this procedure worked for her as well as any puppies I have bred/owned. The commands 'stand' and 'stay' must be said VERY firmly - like any other command I suppose. Hayley is a very gentle girl, you are very positive in your training, perhaps you can help her better than anyone else here. _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
What I was told with Chase was to take 10 SMALL pieces of food in my hand and with him standing still feed him each piece by practically pushing my hand into his face one after another - not worrying if he moved a tad initially. Then a quick break and repeat with the next 10 pieces. I could literally feed him a kibble ration this way but once he was stood firm for me thrusting food in his face I would hold my hand away a fraction then thrust the food in. After not very long he was standing firm and from then I could start to lure him into the right balanced position.
As you can tell from when I show him we are not expert and I don't spend as long on ringcraft as I do on working training but it certainly works for the brat. He knows the rules well enough now to stop stretching forward and to re balance himself into a stand if he gets it wrong as he realises he don't get that treat. With Chase I am still feeding lots in the ring as he is not relaxed ... food helps with his compliance . The other thing is I use Antos mini bones broken in half so he can have a good number but they are tidy on my hands and in the pocket or treat pouch, he gets no reward for licking my hand as there is nothing left to lick.
Are you doing Midland Counties as I could try to show you what I was taught as it is much easier to demonstrate as opposed to write it? _________________ Sue, Chase and the non-Brittany boys - Brice & Piper. Pets first and foremost.
Guy, when I stand Ben he leans quite far forward, so he makes himself look very long. I don't want him to lean forwards.
I'm going to try stacking him to see if that makes him stand straight. I've never stacked Moss as that makes him more determined to move out of place. I am quite firm with Ben, because if I'm not he walks all over me (literally as well as metaphorically sometimes).
Maybe my dad should show him. Especially seeing as he "Taught me everything I know, plus some extra."
I don't know if I'm at Midland Counties, Sue. I just go and show. My dad's the organiser. If we're not though I'll have to ask you to show me another time. I'll have a go tonight though, learning from what you've wrote.
Thanks for your replies _________________ Hayley, Moss, Briar and Ben.
A trick I have been taught is to run ones hand down the leg from the top and then don't move the foot much each time - the stroke settles and if you don't move much then you have not upset the balance much so less chance of the paw being replaced in its original position.
I am sure Gill will have a trick or two up her sleeve.
_________________ Guy, Ellie, Topaz, Catja and in memory Barley
Beauty from Structure
www.epagneulbreton.org.uk
You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Join! (free) 
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
. The other thing is I use Antos mini bones broken in half so he can have a good number but they are tidy on my hands and in the pocket or treat pouch, he gets no reward for licking my hand as there is nothing left to lick.
