Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject: " Funny" tricolours
Lors de la dernière réunion du CEB. plusieurs décisions ont été prises dont celle concernant la robe charbonnée (quelques poils noirs sur un épagneul blanc orange) .
A partir du 31 Mars 2009 ils seront éliminés en exposition.
Au 1* janvier 2010 ils ne seront plus confirmables.
Cette particularité de robe n'étant pas au standard du CEB.
From the French Forum...
This means that all Brittanys showing Black fringes on ears and overlay of Black elsewhere will be eliminated in shows from the 31st March 2009.
From the 1st January , those dogs will no longer be confirmed...
That is a major change to the French Standard.
Seriously though....this, I presume, will not affect anyone in the UK unless they wish to show their dog in France _________________ Jan
Merlin, hips 9/9=18 and Ghillie, hips 8/9=17
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Unless someone chooses to push it through at an AGM? _________________ Annie
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At long last the French Club has confirmed that this colour is not acceptable. There has been so many debates regarding this colour. So at least we have confirmation on this.
Our standard was changed at the last A.G.M regarding the Tri-colour and it's markings.
As I recall, and I am probaly wrong, but I thought that the proposal was to confirm the markings on a 'perfect' tricolour not to condemn the dogs displaying an overlay of black. If I am wrong about this no doubt someone can tell me, otherwise perhaps someone should put forward an amendment at this forthcoming AGM. Proposals should be with Paul by 31st January _________________ Jan
Merlin, hips 9/9=18 and Ghillie, hips 8/9=17
Pull [n or v] An equal and opposite force perpetrated on both ends of a lead that results in the inevitable tripping and falling of the human involved!!
I believe, and like you Jan I may well be wrong, that the change to our breed standard does already affect these dogs as they do not usually have the markings as described.
It is my understanding however that one of the main differences in our standard and the French standard is that we do not actually have any eliminating faults. It would seem likely, however, that it will be treated as a serious fault.
I assume this rule will apply to dogs being shown in Ireland where they use the FCI standard. _________________ If your dog thinks you are the best do not seek a second opinion!
Yes, Gay, it will apply to Eire.
I know we do not have eliminating faults. But it is good to know what the country of origin does, decides and... bear it in mind ?
Ditto with white inside the eye, on the ear, butterfly nose, etc...I know David does take notice...
We do not want to go away from the French standard like the Americans have done...
I notice the KC is changing many standards. If we had had faults included, would it have helped?
I note in France the French Bulldog is not allowed to snore excessively
My biggest concern is - what is going to happen to the dogs that are born tri-colour? Will they disappear at birth? it is obvious that these dogs won't be making money so i suspect they will be got rid of sooner rather than later....
You can't stop nature, and this colour will not be able to be bred out.... THIS MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL!!!!
As you all know I am not a show person - i work my dogs - it doesn't matter what colour they are.... I AM SOOOOO B****Y ANGRY that you think it is ok to condemn a dog for its colour!
My biggest concern is - what is going to happen to the dogs that are born tri-colour? Will they disappear at birth? it is obvious that these dogs won't be making money so i suspect they will be got rid of sooner rather than later....
You can't stop nature, and this colour will not be able to be bred out.... THIS MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL!!!!
As you all know I am not a show person - i work my dogs - it doesn't matter what colour they are.... I AM SOOOOO B****Y ANGRY that you think it is ok to condemn a dog for its colour!
WHAT HAPPENED ABOUT WELFARE?!!!!!
The points you make are very valid - and were part of the reason why I personally voted against the change to the breed standard. I feel colour is one of the least important factors in the dog's make-up. First and foremost to me is temperament but sadly not everyone agrees.
However, bear in mind that only a percentage of the puppies bred go to show homes. As you state, colour does not matter in the working dog nor indeed for any that go to 'pet' homes.
You say this colour cannot be bred out. I am not sure if this is correct. It is my understanding that if the only matings were orange/white to orange/white then all the progeny would be orange/white. Perhaps Pat could elaborate on this. We could then end up like America with no black allowed What a sad day it would be if this were to happen. I love the black/white and tricolours.
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