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alibindahouse73 · Books

Can anybody Recommend a good gundog training book ?
thanks Smile

Victoria

Hi Ali, P R A Moxon was recommended to me.
Attleborough Accessories at

www.attacc.com

has two titles of his "Gundogs: Training and Field Trials" and "Training the Roughshooters Dog"

Like all training books, we each take from them something another may not.

Victoria

Me again, Ali!!

I know there is some resistence by some to American publications for whatever reason, although I have never fathomed that out, cos at the end of the day all we all want is to set our beautiful gundogs up for the bestest of lives...anyway, two videos I can recommend are

Puppy Development 1: Setting Your Pup Up for Success

Puppy Development 2: Introduction to the Field

by Rick and Ronnie Smith. These guys are great and their methods really do work. They use an absolute non-aggressive approach to training and handling. Their methods are the best I have read or seen and in my opinion, suit the Breton.

www.tbicatalog.com

have both in stock.

alibindahouse73

thank you i will have a look at them .

Is anyone a member of the gundog club ??

sallie

I am - they are very good, fantastic information on the web site. Monet is registered too and in June he was going to start his training for his hrp beginners, but my op is now in June. Be warned they are a bit slow in replying on the forum - but they do answer especially when they get to know you! Sometimes i feel they can be a bit clicky... if you know what i mean, but i think they all know each other.

The book that i use is: Keith Erlandson - Gundog Training isbn 1 85310 498 1 the publisher is Swanhill Press

alibindahouse73

Thanks i might have to join as i would like to try somethink different with the pup and finn
I think all dog people are very clicky in all breeds ,
To tell the truth it puts me of dog showing and that , because of it lol
never mind it happens ha ha

Ghilliegumdrop

Hey Alison, am I missing something Question

Do you have a new pup Question

What have you called him/her Question

What is the breeding and do you have any photo's Question

alibindahouse73

nah ent got her yet they are only a week old lol

Ghilliegumdrop

Go on then tell us more....please Very Happy

alibindahouse73

Nah i dont say anythink anymore

Patricia

"I think all dog people are very clicky in all breeds ,
To tell the truth it puts me of dog showing and that , because of it lol "

Ali, I know you are probably joking... Smile

But not all dog people are" clicky". What you find happens is many people already know each other well, share their passion and also have differing opinions. When I first started we went and had a look at which type appealed to us and booked a puppy accordingly.( that took 6 months!) to find the right dog.

The " old timers" then Wink

helped us along in our choice and advised. We listened the advice given. In my case from the Joymonds kennel from Joyce and Ray Greenwood.( My present stock descends from Joymonds Diamant through her son in part) Margaret Green did a great job in helping and if unsure I would ring her her more than I can remember!! Very Happy

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Some of the time, the first "show "dog may not be what we thought and not as good as we may like....But no puppy can be guaranteed as a " winner". But with a good breeder, I have always been amazed how much help we were given and learnt through making ...loads of mistakes. Wink

Our hobby is not a 5 mns wonder, you have to fall flat on your face, learn more and then you will progress to be a happy and successful exhibitor.
The conversations in between all of us is not always about dogs. Wink

Ask Janet

Like everywhere there are good and...bad...

alibindahouse73

Thanks .
I just dont like people saying we are not good owners because of what has happend .

Patricia

I can't think anyone would say such things. Unfortunately what you put on a public Forum is ...just that..public.

Victoria

mcelkek

Ali hows your Finn doing these days? His brother Finn is starting to go white round the muzzel and would like to start some middle age spread if I let him! Laughing

Keith.

Patricia

Victoria, I don't know how many people show Brittanys in your country. Here it tends to range between 30 to 70 odd depending on venues, judges etc...
Most exhibitors are very nice people. None of us agree with everyone all of the time Confused

but rarel;y do I find rudeness or bad sportmanship. The KC won't tolerate bad behaviour anyway.
Also some peoplewho show also work their dogs, as well as being members so...we still all meet...

alibindahouse73

Well i dont understand why people think bad of me ?
we Rescued finn as apparently he wasnt a very good gundog Then we decided to a pup as i wanted to show as i couldnt with finn as he is castrated so we Had Villain who was such a brilliant puupy , We then rescued bailey who`s owners locked him in a cage allday and fed him half a cup of biscuits a day ????who on earth does that , Then unfortunately Villain Was killed a coulpe of days after having bailey we were devistated and we still are .
Bailey never settled with finn He took chuncks out of finns ears and neck , We split them up at night in different cages but he just didnt settle so we made a very hard decision to find him a good home which we have done .
He has gone to a couple with no other dogs,cats and children and he is so happy i stay in touch with them to see how he is doing .

So please dont think i am a bad owner because i am not i love my dogs so much .

alibindahouse73

mcelkek

Finn is Brilliant couldnt wish for anythink better But to tell the truth he is a bit fat at the moment and his started to get quite lazy lol .

I take him out every morning for an hour over the fields he runs free of the lead and when john gets home i take him out for another couple of hours round the country lanes he loves it

His a bit lonley at the moment though feeling sorry for himself i think lol

i will try and put some pics of him on here later , Have you got any pics of your finn

mcelkek

Here are the most recent ones. I would love to see your boy as if I remember they were quite alike.

The last one has a touch of the Titanic film about it! Laughing

Keith.

Victoria

How could anyone believe you to be a bad owner, Ali...I am in utter awe of people who foster rescued dogs and have the passion to take on these poor dogs who so desperately need human kindness.
So we have seven more weeks to wait to be introduced to your new puppy!!!

alibindahouse73

Yes i have picked a bitch ,I did want to show her but they have been docked Sad

but never mind i would love to try field trials but i need more info on how to go about doing it lol Embarassed

mcelkek

He is Gorgeous They are lovely pictures i wish i could take pics that good , i have just tried to take some of finn but my monster of a little boy keeps standing in the way lol i will send some later though.

Annie

Ali, I don't believe anyone thinks you are a bad owner. What some people might think is that you have little time to spend on more than one Brittany at the moment. You have an adult male Brittany already, a toddler, a baby, and a husband away from home a lot. But that can only be a subjective perception. I really do hope that you have a lot of fun with this little bitch and I for one will be only too happy to help you at shows or over the internet. There are people on here better able than me to help with training but perhaps you'll bring her to the working day in October. I think this is the first time you have explained everything in detail about the three boys, so perhaps it will be clear to everyone now. As you will remember I came to you at the last show to introduce myself and ask how you were getting on. I think I chatted with you quite a while, but I am always very busy at shows with the money side of things, and did Jan perhaps help advise you on trimming? I don't think we are a 'clicky' breed to be honest. This is perhaps the case in your mother-in-law's breed, but we are mostly quite friendly in ours.
Annie
Treasurer, Webmaster, Breed Assessor BCGB

alibindahouse73

Thanks Annie .

Ghilliegumdrop

There you go Ali, nobody is perfect....just our Brittanys. Just as a matter of interest, if people don't pay to go into a show ie at the door, you can show your puppy So maybe we will see you at the club show with her Question

what is her birthday as she can, as you know, be entered at six months. So, give us a clue...is she orange and white Question

Why don't you try and come over for the training day so that we can talk you through working and trials and other stuff Question

PS And we would love to see you all Very Happy

alibindahouse73

hiya shes orange and white and she will be 6 moths around nov dec time
im not sure what shows i can do people were on about a list from the kennel club but im not sure

johnhod

I have found most of the Brittany people to be very helpful, especially to those of us who are new to the breed. I only ever intended training Moss to work but the help that I have had has made what would have been a very difficult task much easier. Hayley has also had so much support, advice and assistance from people on the showing side. Without this we probably wouldn't even be involved in showing.

Ghilliegumdrop

If you have a show that you want to go to just look and see if people have to pay to go in at the door or you can ring the secretary and ask, they will tell you. I look forward to seeing her [and you].

alibindahouse73

Thanks

If someone can tell me about the training day that would be great ?

Patricia

Not much help from the KC I am afraid Embarassed

I was told to look on the schedules to see if they accept legally docked dogs or not Idea

As for their own venue in Stoneleigh...It will be hired to canine societies. It will be then up to them...
So, not much help. Maybe half a dozen who will OK the docks!!!

alibindahouse73

Thanks i know some of the open shows are not allowing it .

[b][u]Its sooo stupid [u][b] Mad

Ghilliegumdrop

We have a training day on the 31st May that you could come to and ask questions etc. and see the dogs [hopefully] working.

sallie

People can be very quick to judge - there is nothing wrong in what you did, infact you were very sensible about a very difficult situation. Try and get to the training day in October - i would like to meet another complete novice to swap notes with Very Happy

guy

Ali, I only know of your actions from your posts - I thought your were most brave to confront your problems of the time in the way you did. Personally rather than decry your actions i applaud them.

I have to agree with you in some ways that the breed can appear to be cliquey - but this is only because of the networks members already have in place and the short times available at shows to 'talk'. Over time you will be pleasantly surprised at how friendly these same people become.

The training day is a great opportunity to build friendships with other owners - there is much more time to talk about the dogs and also share anecdotes. My experience of this type of day is you will learn as much from your colleagues as from the trainer. That is why they are such good value Very Happy

Annie

Ali, if you want you can come to the training day as an observer without a dog - just pay £5 for your lunch. I would suggest you find a babysitter too.

alibindahouse73

Yeah i will do thanks Annie
I might av to bring jack but i will leave monster at the inlaws lol

Ghilliegumdrop

Just as long as M-i-L doesn't castrate him while you are away Twisted Evil

alibindahouse73

Lol
She will probly feed him to her 9 dogs lol

Annie

Doubt she'll do that Laughing

last time I saw him he was big enough that he would choke them Wink

alibindahouse73

not the deerhound though lol

johnhod

Back to books, I like Michael Brander's 'The Rough Shooter's Dog", Martin Deeley's 'Advanced Gundog Training', Guy Wallace's 'The Versatile Gundog' and Paul Long's 'Training Pointing Dogs' (American but with some useful ideas). I've also bough the Steve Kimberley book that Jan mentioned somewhere