| Archive for The Brittany Forum For all friends of the versatile Brittany |
| Paris M |
HaemophiliaI was reading up on Brittany health issues and came across a reference to Haemophilia occuring in the breed. I wondered how many dogs are currently affected by this in the UK or if anyone is currently testing breeding dogs that may carry the gene. I understand, from what I have read, that if one mates a carrier to a carrier, then half of the male pups born would have haemophilia  Correct me if I am wrong. I looked through the previous threads but there doesn't seem to be one about this particular issue.
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| guy |
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/download/1528/hsbrittany.pdf
is the best I can offer for the UK. |
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| Paris M |
Thanks that made interesting reading | ||||
| doganjo |
Never heard of this in our breed. Why don't you ask our health co-ordinator.
I can't see this disease mentioned in this report. Can you tell me where it is? Where did you find a reference to this disease being in our breed? These reports were commissioned and published on the KC website in 2006, and this one carries this disclaimer
Of the 59 how many mentioned haemophilia? |
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| Paris M |
The reference was not in that report that Guy posted the link to. I said it was interesting not because the report contained haemophilia, it doesn't, but becuase it was just interesting full stop. The reference came from an american published book on Brittanys I own.
The website that I found with a reference to Haemophilia is of uk origin. It seems to make reference to UK Brits with regards to hip displaysia but I think they are also using information gathered from US studies. Scroll down to find Brittany, it is in the section begining Heart and Circulatory systems. http://anti-dockingalliance.co.uk/gundog_12.htm Of course the information seems to be reflective of American health studies and the American brits. Its just out of curiousity I'm asking, it seems however that from the responses that it is not a problem in the UK Brits (yay  ).
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| doganjo |
Well, in 27 years in the breed (since they were brought into the UK), I have heard of no instances in French Bred Brittanys in the UK. So I think it must be solely in the American Brittany. I certainly hope so. | ||||
| Ghilliegumdrop |
And GSD's. | ||||
| Wyngold |
Reference to blood disorders in Brittanys in various books is statistical data collected from around the world. TRhere are "French" lined dogs and others with these conditions reported just luckily none reported thus far in the UK apparently.
Also some blood clotting issues are also a product of immune responses to hypervaccination protocols. Low platelets have aslo been associated to Low Thyroid function. French dogs definatley do have problems with as well and Immune digestive disorders associated with Protien loosing enteropathy (diarrhea syndroms/malabsorptions) French dogs are prone to neurological and musculoskelatal problems as well most notable is cerebellar dysfunctions often associated with a prancing gait in the front limbs that later degenerate into ataxia often passed off as old age. Might be associated to somee of the "setter" genes since Gordons are highly affected with Cerebellar ataxia as well. I had one vet in Idaho tell a French owner that their dog had Factor 8 defficiencey but we figured out that he dog had gotten a hold of Rat poison and was not treated nor diagnosed properly. There seems to be lots of blindness issues associated with early onset PRA in Euro lines and in American lines we seem to have late onset PRA which tells us that the lines on either side fo the pond have many differing genes pools. Looking at the collective report that Guy linked to is classical on how poor a response one gets form these kinds of information research....failure to respond can be taken that someone wishes to hide information or they just do not care. We get low turn out response to our breed surveys as well in the US so it seems that accurate data is very hard to collect. Probalby the best place to find health data is in Sweden where all health issues are reported by law. |
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| glynis |
Goldie, could you post more information about PRA/gPRA in the breed please?
thanks GLynis |
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| Wyngold |
Well if you read the France forum in French...there have been several cases where buyers of pups reported that the pups they got were or arrived "Blind" this is strognly associated with Retinal detachment or "early onset" PRA. In American lines we have been testing for a while now and there are specific lines that have shown the Late onset usually they go blind at around age 8 yrs this is the Rod/Cone form or late onset PRA. If yu visit the Brittany health foundation pages I am not sure if it is posted there or not but also on the AKC canine health foundation pages it specifies that researchers have concluded that Cataracts are also genetically linked to PRA. So "our old dog ailments" are really still genetic disorders that we are not really screening for or looking at as best we should. Amny Brittany owners have said and re-tell that Brittanys are relatively healthy...they are to those that have never seen or heard of them. Keep an open ear and you will learn much all around inthe breed. I know that many like to call Lens Luxations as being a "field" accident but in reality Brittanys are also genetically prone to this condition due to week attachments or the dreaded precursor of cataracts. Basically if you assume you don;t have issues and never screen for them "Of course you will never find them" This is a Veterinary guide to some notable and have been seen conditions in purbred dogs which will give you some information: http://www.upei.ca/~cidd/Diseases...ogressive%20Retinal%20Atrophy.htm |
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| glynis |
Thanks for that Goldie, I fully agree with your comments regarding health checks. I have already had my Brittany hip AND elbow scored and she will also have an annual eye test. As I also have labradors I already test for gPRA in that breed but am not aware of a genetic test for this in Brittanys. If nothing else it allows me to have a handle on the health status of my own stock. I have been told by many that "there are no eye problems in the breed" but that begs the question of a) how can we be sure? and b) an individual dog can have a problem that is not genetically related but still needs attending to.
rgds Glynis |
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| Patricia |
Goldie, can you link me to the French Forum reports of puppies going blind please? I must have missed it...
We certainly actively encourage people to report any health problems to our health co ordinator Kathy Gorman... |
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| Wyngold |
The first instance was very early in the start of the Forum....a guy from Greece picking up an 8 week old pup that was blind accordihng to their vet when they got home. Came from a well know kennel in north France Another was posted about 2 years ago they got it from a breeder in the south from a magazine ad....never got a reply from then when I wrote private so cant tell you where they got it from. Another was posted about a dog going blind at age 7....others telling it was probably trauma and how they had similar instances...so this tells me there are more situations never mentioned. All one has to do is face the facts that the breed is a conglomerate of other breeds well represented with genetic issues. As for gPRA testing none has been made for Brittanys. Why??? because we owners of the breed keep our heads in the sand or do not want to let anyone know "we" have an issue. If those who have issues do not report them or submitt DNA to the agencies doing research then we are the loosers. We do have the Private resarch agency based in UC Davis Veterinary school that has a Brittany specific database where aI have submitted DNA samples of my Affected French dogs with issues as well as American dogs. They are not pedigree biased like the rest of the USA and accept dna submissions from everyone regardless of country of pedigree. I have had "genetic" hypothyroid, luxated lens, Vascular Ring anomaly, right aortic arch, livershunts, cerebellar ataxia, cataracts in both American and French imports....and I have had Protien loosing enteropathy & epilepsy diagnosed in 3 French lined dogs that were brought to my attention by those looking to get another dog. So "I" know there are issues in the breed no matter what others say. And if the French say "setters" influenced the bree then by all means we have those setter issues to deal with, if the French say we have Springer blood inthe breed then by all means we have Springer genetic issues in our breed. Plane simple deductions that is all. Goldie |
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| Patricia |
Interesting post Goldie...
Unforunately, how do you get results back when you send them to the US? Or feed back? I had produced a fitting puppy( occasional but still...)now in his late years...I had all relations tested I could find and paid for the ones who did not belong to me. Sent the blood samples for the DNA to the animal health trust, Newmarket. This was sent to the university of Missouri...but nothing ever came of it????Disappointing. No one wants to sell a defective animal to some poor new owner? I still feel that compared to dogs like Springers, we are lucky in that generaly the breed is quite healthy?>??? What is hypothyroidism? |
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| doganjo |
It might be helpful if you were to qualify this with facts. Can you tell us which French lined dogs may have it in case future new imports carry it. Thank you. |
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| Wyngold |
Send me an email at Ranchknls@aol.com with specific question about the lines you are interested in and I will let you know if I have data on the dogs inb question. Generally one does not posts others dogs names on a public forum. |
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