| Archive for The Brittany Forum For all friends of the versatile Brittany |
| doganjo |
International Databasehttp://www.gundogpedigrees.com/brittany/modules/animal/Brittany ones as well as others, still being worked on by Sylvia and the Brittany one is not yet up to date. |
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| guy |
do you know the source of the data? | ||
| Lin Dyke |
It is a very interesting site. Seems to originate from the Netherlands. Have found the first Brittany I ever met, the first one I owned and the second one too. No record of the third, yet 
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| doganjo |
Yes, ours. |
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| guy |
Did we comply with data protection legislation when we released it. ? | ||
| Ghilliegumdrop |
Shall we invoke our Human Rights.....I see Ghill is on there as a SH CH and when I tried to edit it wouldn't let me sign in to do it 
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| johnhod |
Do we do that with our own club database? |
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| doganjo |
No names and addresses were given - only dog's names and they are in public domain Please remember the data is a year old and until Sylvia can get the BRS she cannot update it - so please be patient. If anyone has any alterations to give her please email her direct rather than reporting each indiviual item on here - her own website address is http://www.mysticalshadows.nl/ . email info@mysticalshadoes.nl Note what it says on the main page of the database - To keep a little control over the brittany's in the database only moderators and admins of the website are allowed to enter information into the database. |
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| Ghilliegumdrop |
If the source of the data on this site is our own breed data.....what is the point of having both 
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| guy |
I love the idea of an international EB database for non LOF dogs or even better including LOF dogs. However my concern is around data protection and copyright of the information. Just because it is in 'the public domain' does not necessarily mean it can be copied and used by anyone.
I thought our database was based on the KC one using, KC issued updates. If this is so who holds copyright to the info because someone surely will, and if it is not the BCGB then I hope whoever owns it gave the OK for it to be used by a third party. If it is the BCGB then I believe it will be OK - so long as there is a committee minute to that effect. |
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| sallie |
Slightly off track, but if things are published on the net - they somehow enter the public domain. This i found out when a friend published one of Monets photos on her training poster  Asked where she got it from and she said 'google'. I said about copyright and she said that because the photos were on images, she could take/use them (argument ensued and needless to say she changed her posters).
Would this not happen when database is released on the net... couldn't people just help themselves to your dogs id? How would you protect yourselves and your dogs? I'm a bit ignorant on this subject so would like to know more. |
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| doganjo |
'WE' don't have both. And her data is not only sourced from ours. She has Brittanys from all over the World on her database. I have no idea where she got it all from. Sylvia is an independent person and has taken it on herself to set up databases for as many gundogs pedigrees as she can. In the same way, Carolina Brittanys have done just that, but again they are not connected to the BCGB or to the breed in the UK. Perhaps Sylvia got her data from them. She is not in any way connected to the Club, or the Breed - she has Weimaraners. She has put a number of features on there that we don't have on ours which is why I mentioned it. But she does not have access to the BRS as yet so I have no idea when or if she will update the database she has already put up. She is a member of the Working HPR Forum. I don't know her personally. I'm beginning to wish I hadn't mentioned it at all! 
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| sallie |
 poor Anne.
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| doganjo |
Surely, if it's only dogs names there can't be an infringment of copyright or their human rights
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| Wyngold |
Pedigree DatabasesActually they benefit all breeders.The Epagneul Breton one managed by Kevin is of only EB and includes Finish, Canadian, UK, and French databases. The one hosted by Brittany.org is of strictly American and original French imports or Modern French lines that have aquired an AKC title ie. FC Grand Tank du Fayette. The Breeders Standard offers a pay for service online use of mined pedigrees from public domains ie. the OFA public hip and genetic database, or when owners of other programs upgraded and had the3ir databases converted by the company, they retained it and now offer a pay service. Lots of ethical issues on this bunch... One can also purchase the AKC studbooks online in its monthly print out by breed. But oc course it does not delineate AB from EB and since there are a large number that are interbred it is dificult to dicern what is what. UKC does not offer purchase of their studbook so what is actually registered seems to be a mystery. |
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| Ghilliegumdrop |
Wasn't me that said 'WE'.....is that the 'Royal' by the way
God you are a touchy b....r at times woman
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| doganjo |
Is it any wonder! with people banging on about human rights and copyright etc Anyway, I checked with Sylvia and she got her information from the BRS and other sources, not from our database. If you look at her site you will see she has a few breeds on there - and very useful they are too.  
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| Victoria |
Just to rattle my chain and lunge on the collar (some might suggest a choke her chain  ), maybe a pedigree name is perhaps copyright???? No one else in the FCI affiliates can use anyone else's stud name so perhaps it is a greyer area than it appears at first glance....just a thought!!!!! And really, what gives anyone the right to list anyone's dog on any list???? Do the listors ever gain permission from the listee to use the name of the listed???
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| Ghilliegumdrop |
Are you listing here Victoria......too much of the old vino
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