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sallie

Kennel Cough!

Oh yes, its bank holiday and Monet has decided to get kennel cough... off to the vets this afternoon, so i am expecting a whopping great big bill!!

How do you keep an eb quiet? he is racing around like a loon, stopping to cough his guts up, then off he goes again - at the moment he is shouting at the front door, because he has not been out for his normal morning walk!!

Have given him childrens cough linctus, honey in his water and put him in a steamed up bathroom to help shift the mucus... Anything else i should be doing? Suggestions would be most appreciated - ta Sallie
Mugi

Apart from keeping him away from others you sound as though you are doing pretty much all you can.

Hope he gets rid of the cough ASAP, out of interest - is he vaccinated against KC?? Three of mine are but one of them still got it albeit mildly.

BTW, keeping his quiet will probably only work with a sledgehammer Laughing  Laughing .
Victoria

Sallie, the homeopathic remedy Bryonia is useful in the treatment of kennel cough.   One tablet two to four hourly until relief is the prescribed dosage.    Sue's treatment for a non-static Breton is probably the only one available  Laughing  Laughing
sallie

No, Monet hasn't had the kennel cough vaccine, i've heard mixed messages some saying that it works and others saying it doesn't - Monet is never kennelled so i have never thought of having it done- but he has got kc quite bad so i have changed my mind. Infact, he is coughing so bad that Poppy is hiding away  Smile
Lin Dyke

Wishing Monet a speedy recovery.  

Not sure if my boys have had the vac' for KC.  Their certificates are ticked
for distemper, hepatitis, leptospirosis, parvovirus and parainfluenza.

Have just googled for "parainfluenza" and it is indeed, kennel cough  Embarassed .  I seem to remember, when I had my Irish setters, the KC protection involved a nasal spray,  most of which got sneezed out all over whoever was in direct line  Rolling Eyes  Laughing
Liz

Hope Monet gets better soon.   Ozzy had it a few weeks ago, but fortunately only mildly.   None of the others were affected - thank heavens, I was really worried in case Toby (14 year old Weimaraner) got it too.
glynis

Hi Sallie,you can also try drosera if bryonia doesn't work cheers Glynis & Fen
Mugi

How is Monet doing now Sallie??
sallie

Well - if you ask me, i think he is pretending, he seems to have taken up residence on my bed  Mad  

on a more serious note - he has now been given anti inflamatory tablets aswell as the antibiotics, because he couldn't eat and drinking made him vomit - when all my other dogs got kc it wasn't this bad - though all my other dogs have been female  Wink

Thanks for all your recommendations - my medicine cabinet has more homeopathic stuff in it than the local chemist  Laughing
Victoria

sallie wrote:
Well - if you ask me, i think he is pretending, he seems to have taken up residence on my bed  Mad  


Confucus say "Not all Breton on bed have kennel cough" Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
Ghilliegumdrop

It's probaly 'MAN FLU' Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil
sallie

Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  i was trying to be politically correct Exclamation  Exclamation
Ghilliegumdrop

Very Happy  Very Happy Not on here surely Question  Wink
sallie

Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil  MAN FLU it is then, as i have had a pretty bad morning again with Monets' persistent coughing and whinging at the door! Rang up vet who has given me more antibiotics for Monet.   Twisted Evil  At this rate i think i will put Monet up for auction for Johns raffle - i have not been blessed with patience and this is really doing my head in Exclamation  Exclamation  How long is kc meant to last Question
glynis

poor you  Sad like with humans, the course of the complaint is dependent on its severity. Hang on in there!
rgds Glynis & Fen (& the labs!)
sallie

Laughing Rolling Eyes  he's back out - large and in charge, 2 squirrels today  Embarassed He also barked at other dogs, rolled in mess and chased anything that moved Exclamation  Good to see the old Monet back - i have missed him - well sort of Laughing
Annie as admin

You will really HAVE to come in October - we must see this whirling dervish for ourselves!!! Laughing
I'm still on dial up, Patricia - costing me a fortune at the mo - but No1 Son assures me o2 will have me on broadband tomorrow. Rolling Eyes I am one of an elite small batch of new customers in Clackmannanshire (The WEE county as it's known Wink )
Annie
sallie

Laughing  Laughing  Laughing - you could always have him up for a holiday, i could do with a break  Wink  i'll pick him up again when he is fully trained and mature - he's just what you need at this present moment in time  Laughing  Laughing Hope all is going well Annie
johnhod

Two busy weekends lined up and Moss has gone down with kennel cough.  We had the Yorkshire Gamefair lined up for Sunday (manning the Brittany stand in Discover Gundogs) and of course the Club weekend next week.

Do I hate ringcraft classes??
sallie

Poor Moss - and you. I hope that he is not too bad and you have got him to the vets for some antibiotics... because i waited it took 10 days of antibiotics! It always happens when you are busy! Ringcraft - i didn't know you did that with Moss, i thought that he did field trials etc. GET WELL SOON and you have my sympathy  Very Happy
Annie

Entry forms are signed to say you won't take any dog which has been in contact with an infectious disease in the 3 week prior to the event

This is the one from Trials and Tests

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not to bring to the Trial any dog which has contracted or been knowingly exposed to any infectious disease during the 21 days prior to the day of the Trial

Sure all you regulars know but just in case there are any new people out there.
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johnhod

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Ringcraft - i didn't know you did that with Moss


Hayley, my daughter, shows him and I'm training him to work.

We had him to the vet within a few hours of the symptoms appearing.  He had a jab (dexadreson) and is now on ronaxan and benylin.

He seems to be improving already but he won't be going anywhere that he'll be mixing with other dogs for best part of a month now.
sallie

Never heard of dexadreson, hope that Moss makes a quick recovery.  Monet never passed it on to my other dog - which i thought was very strange, but it did take a good three weeks to clear up, so poor you and Hayley - you have my sympathy  Smile
Annie

John, hope you'll come to the training day anyway?  Adjustment of cash required though - 20 refund if you all have lunch, more if you come on your own.
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.:HayleyH:.

Moss seems to be loads better, he is only coughing now when he gets excited, and even then not coughing to bad. We have our fingers crossed now that Briar doesn't get it, because he's 10. The vet started him on some anti-biotics to try and build up a defence to it though so fingers crossed Exclamation
Liz

I was worried when Ozzy picked it up a couple of months ago that he'd pass it on to the oldies, particularly Toby 13.   Luckily he didn't pass it on. and got over it himself pretty quickly.

I don't think you can avoid them being exposed to the cough, unfortunately.
Annie as admin

Liz is right.  I think it's like 'flu, it can come through the air.  One of mine caught it last year and she hadn't been off my own land for a number of weeks - 7 or 8, as I was unable to drive or walk far. (trying to climb a gate and slide on icy decking Rolling Eyes  Embarassed )  She didn't pass it on to any of the others either.
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barbara

Sorry to hear that Moss has KC, what a pain at this busy time of the year.  

We have had both pups & Archie squirted up the nose with kennel cough drops although they do seem to get some immunity to the cough once they have had it.
johnhod

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hope you'll come to the training day anyway


Going to have a chat about tonight.  Edna will probably stay home to look after the dogs, just need to decide whether Hayley and I come down for both days or just the Sunday.
johnhod

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I don't think you can avoid them being exposed to the cough


Must be the end of 20 years good luck then.  I've never had a dog catch it before while working them but get into showing them and taking them to halls packed with pampered pooches for ringcraft and ...............
johnhod

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Never heard of dexadreson


Dexadreson

Uses
This preparation contains the sodium phosphate ester of dexamethasone, a fluoro-methyl derivative of prednisolone, which is a potent glucocorticoid with minimal mineralocorticoid activity. Dexamethasone has ten to twenty times the anti-inflammatory activity of prednisolone.
Following intramuscular injection this soluble ester of dexamethasone is rapidly absorbed and hydrolysed to the parent alcohol giving a prompt response which is maintained for approximately 48 hours.
Dexadreson may be used whenever a parenteral corticosteroid preparation giving a medium duration of activity is indicated. It can be used as an anti-inflammatory and anti-allergic agent in horses, cattle, pigs, dogs and cats and for the treatment of primary ketosis in cattle. The product can also be used to induce parturition in cattle and as supportive therapy in cases of shock in horses. Dexadreson is suitable for intravenous use in the horse and is thus of particular benefit in cases needing emergency treatment.

So it's an anti-inflammatory
Annie as admin

Question then.  Can you give Ibuprofen to dogs? I was told neither that nor paracetamol was safe for them but aspirin was OK - anybody know?
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johnhod

I was told to give Moss benylin but to make sure it was the child version, without aspirin or paracetamol.

With reference to ibuprofen this may prove useful.  
http://www.aspca.org/site/DocServer/toxbrief_0704.pdf?docID=2383
sallie

When Monz was a pup he ate two ibuprofen  Twisted Evil  the vet said to get loads of food down him as quick as possible as they might cause a bleed in his stomach - so from that i take it as no they can't - but aren't aspirin and ibuprofen from the same thing?
johnhod

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Ibuprofen is chemically similar to regular aspirin and functions in an analogous way, minimizing the production of prostaglandins, though it accomplishes this with slightly different chemical reactions. So how is ibuprofen different from aspirin? In lower doses, ibuprofen seems to irritate the esophagus and stomach lining less than its close cousins, aspirin and naproxen. If you have ulcers or acid reflux disease, ibuprofen may be the best product for pain clearly resulting from inflammation (arthritis, sprains, sunburns, etc.).


So, similar uses but different chemically

Found at http://www.associatedcontent.com/...aproxen_acetaminophen.html?page=2
Annie as admin

OK, no Brufen for the dogs then. What about the other two?Aspirin and Paracetamol?
sallie

Poppy is on quater of an Aspirin for her arthritis per day - but paracetamol is a big no no for dogs... trying to find out the side affects for you, but its been a long day Rolling Eyes
eddieh

Found these


http://www.vetstoria.co.uk/templa...ogs_and_cats-8-366-familypet.html

http://www.hydeparkvet.co.uk/peth...poisoninfo.asp?poison=Paracetamol

I don't think I'd be inclined to ignore the advice they give
johnhod

I've posted a question to the vet on the NOBs forum.  Hopefully we'll get the latest guidance
sallie

Here are two books that make a good read

the dog's drugstore - Richard W. Redding (dmv m.sc phd) & Myrna l Papurt (dmv b.sc)

don't dope the dog - Martin J. Scott & Gael Mariani
johnhod

Just got the reply from the vet on NOBS

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Aspirin and paracetomol can be given to dogs, the dose is 10mg per kg so a 300mg tablet for a 30kg dog. Ideally you should consult your vet before giving even these, especially if your dog is on other medication. Other human drugs, including ibuprofen should never be given to dogs as they can't properly metabolise them.



http://www.nobs.org.uk/forum/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=17088
Annie as admin

I just checked a standard pack of paracetamol I got from Tesco - they are 500mg so half a tablet would be the maximum dose for a Brittany of around 25 kg - so you would need to chop it further down accordfingly.  Thanks for clearing this up, John, very useful to know. I was pretty certain Ibuprofen and other stuff was unsafe but wasn't sure about aspirin and parecetamol
Annie
Mugi

One bit of advice I have been given when using 'human' meds is to look to childrens meds when wanting to use them for dogs as it is usually easier to titrate from paediatric doses. The only downside to this is that current legislation means it is getting harder to buy kiddie meds containing aspirin and paracetamol over the counter anyway.

I have found my vet is happy to let me have a small supply of painkillers in the house and I know how to dose all 4 dogs from a standard pack of 25mg NSAID's and in many ways I prefer this to trying to get the doses right from over the counter. When I also had the cats I was always allowed to keep a few days of antibiotics too and I plan to ask for the same with the dogs, a couple of days worth of a broad spectrum AB with a promise to get the dog in as soon as is feasible.

I have a great long term relationship with my vet and he also knows my background and that the dogs are taken in early if I think any of them have a problem so he is happy to work with me.
sallie

My advice - always check with the vet first before administering any meds and keep the packaging just incase something goes wrong  Smile there i go, preaching to people that know  Rolling Eyes sorry Embarassed

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