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| doganjo |
Saturday 5th June - Training DayJust heard from John Anderson there is to be a training day on 6th June. Details to follow re venue, trainers, times, accommodation etc. Please let me know if you are interestedAnnie |
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| johnhod |
Put my name down for it Annie. Edna and Hayley will be there too. | ||
| Mugi |
In the pipeline at the moment is ..............
General Obedience Stuff. Gundog work appropriate to the participants. Hopefully a session for those who may be interested in running in the October TAN but have no idea what is involved. Obviously the TAN is not trained for as it is Natural Apptitude but I know when I did it with Chase I would have appreciated knowing what would be expected. Waterwork. Possibly some Cold Game Retrieving again dependant on participants. Feedback welcome  .
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| doganjo |
I need someone to teach me how to get my dog to focus on me instead of self hunting, hopefully steady to flush will be sorted when I go to see Andy Cullen next month, as I believe he has a supply of pigeons ready fro dizzying. Hope also to go over to Bill sometime soon for general work on hunting and retrieving | ||
| glynis |
yes please, basic stuff still for me an' her
cheers Glynis |
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| Lin Dyke |
We're up for some of that too 
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| doganjo |
For those who are coming can we have a list of things you want covered please.
Annie |
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| johnhod |
Steadiness and control at a distance for me please, with distractions if possible | ||
| Mugi |
Can possibly borrow a bolting rabbit John - would that be of interest for you? Also would control at distance be alluding to redirecting or stop, distance stays etc? | ||
| johnhod |
Bolting rabbit would be good, I've used them with Moss in the past but not for some time, so a reintroduction would be useful.
Control at a distance is primarily enforcing the sit, but revisiting directional control would agan be useful as would general steadiness at a distance To be honest it doesn't really matter to me what we do as I find when left to my own devices I rarely take the opportunity to go back to basics |
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| doganjo |
Unfortunately there will not be accommodation available at Catthorpe so we will have to find some near to the venue when John A has firmed that up. | ||
| doganjo |
This is exactly the same for me. Control when off lead for me please. |
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| Pippa's Pack |
I am interested in attending with Bella as long as a completely useless owner and a Brittany crossed with a greyhound are acceptable 
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| doganjo |
So she is a normal Brittany then? Are you parking the 'van at Stanford? | ||
| Mugi |
Kathy has today confirmed we have the ground at Stanford for the Saturday.
Caravans only are acceptable at the Stanford Caravan Site and need to be booked directly with the site http://www.stanfordhall.co.uk/caravan.html In addition (don't know availability etc) I believe there is a Travelodge near Lutterworth and an Ibis in the Rugby vicinity that are in reasonable distance of Stanford. |
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| doganjo |
The reason for caravans only is that there are no toilet and shower facilities, so if you have a caravan but no toilet onboard you can't have it at Stanford. So no tents. | ||
| eddieh |
I think that Might be a Bella and Tegen class. I'd like to come but things are so up in the air that I don't even know what type of transport I'll have to use. Hopefully we'll be in a position to sort something soon before all the places are booked. |
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| doganjo |
No hurry, Eddie, we don't have the trainers names as yet, so haven't done costings and therefore can't put out an 'all points bulletin' till then. | ||
| doganjo |
I'm still waiting fro John A to give me names of trainers, but Sue is taking youngsters class.
Have attached basic information and application form in the meantime. 
Click to download file |
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| eddieh |
Any news on who the trainers will be? | ||
| doganjo |
Probably in house this year, Sue, John A, possibly Fiona, plus one other possibility - not confirmed yet | ||
| Patricia |
Do we not know of other trainers for a different perspective and approach?? Every trainer has their own way of thinking...and doing... | ||
| doganjo |
I leave that to John - we have to think of costs as well | ||
| Patricia |
I just think from time to time we need some " fresh ideas", we can all become stale.
I think like Guy says, maybe a working test in a format of training day? In a GWT, you have puppy, Novice, special beginner to open...So, different levels, short seen retrieves, a bit of obedience up to much higher levels. How about Di Arrowsmith? I was told years ago she was good with puupies?? Only ideas, nothing else meant! Let people bring their own lunches! |
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| doganjo |
I think you should bring this up at Committee level. Unless someone mentions it to John very soon it will be too late for this year. At the moment we have 5 for the training day. If anyone else wants to come please let me know. | ||
| Lin Dyke |
We had originally planned to attend the training day but unfortunately will now only be there for the show on Sunday. | ||
| sallie |
This sounds a good way forward, my only concern would be that it might lead to a bigger fracturing of the EB community. 1) Would dogs still be excepted if they do not have KC papers? 2) These events could become even more localised within the already established training region; so that people from the extreme parts of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland feeling even more excluded. Thats only my thoughts anyway; i am not a member, but i hope i raised some valid points. As you know i prefer to go with well established localised private trainers - this to me is cost effective, another point that you should think about 
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| guy |
Dogs without KC papers - I assume you mean 'pedigree' papers can register with the KC Activity register and are then able to compete in certain events.
I don't think the club days should be seen as an alternative to a local trainer or mentor. They are aimed at training like with like. Very few local trainers have experience with HPRs. They are also a chance to share experience with similar minded people. I am with you on the problem of centralised events disenfranchising distant members. But it is hard enough to align venues and trainers to the current scheme - this does not mean it would not be possible to vary the venue - just it might not be as straight forward as it might seem. The reverse argument also applies, to the organisers - to create experiences in different parts of the country from scratch requires a lot of time and effort - putting a great strain on a single individual with regards their time and travel - to inspect, arrange, attend etc. |
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| Ghilliegumdrop |
At the moment, I think that the only things that 'unregistered' dogs can do when put onto the working register is obedience and agility. Possibly also working trials, it's a shame that the KC don't let unregistered gundogs do a form of gundog working test of some description. If a breed club runs a training event then I think that any dog of that breed should be allowed to enter even if it is not KC registered. After all the owners may then be encouraged to buy a dog that is registered next time they purchase a pup. | ||
| doganjo |
I wasn't aware that an unregistered Brittany couldn't attend a training session. My understanding was that Club members have preference if we have surplus of entries, and many Club members have other breeds. Perhaps we need a Committee ruling. At the moment we have 5 dogs booked in for the Training Day in June - Allez, Belle, Bella, Tegen, and Smotyn. From a Treasurer's point of view that isn't enough to be viable. Any more coming? I can wait for the form and money so long as I have a commitment |
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| sallie |
Maybe i didn't make myself too clear ... when it was mentioned that
My second point is to do with cost ... i agree that there are a few trainers who do not understand the HPR and people have to look for the correct trainers to suit their needs and often this includes travel... travel locally however, is different than travelling half way across the country. If like me an event like this would cost in the region of £200 to attend, this would include... rail fare, B&B, food and social events etc. etc. Training like with like or paying for an experienced trainer, no competition really
Mind you it would be nice to meet a few of you and share a social event and it would be nice for Monet to muck about with other EB's
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| Mugi |
I believe that a 'rescue' aka an Activity Register Dog can enter a KC registered gundog event in the Special Beginners but a result would not be acknowledged by the KC - a moot point as Sp Beg is not a recognised class anyway. As a handler your dog could come first but you would not be awarded anything other than what the officiating club would award. | ||
| doganjo |
I thought we were talking about Training Days? I personally can't see why an unregistered dog cannot take part in training sessions. An unregistered dog can go working - as a beating dog, as a picking up dog, with it's owner on a roughshoot. So it requires training. If a breed club can''t do this what chance has any other. 
I see your financial concerns Sallie, but that is the case for anyone. Some people have cars and have to pay petrol and maintenance for their vehicles, others use public transport - I have the greatest respect for those because I won't go on buses and trains with dogs - just too much hassle for me. Coming to the training day will cost me about £150 in petrol, goodness knows how much in maintenance, £50 for the two dogs, and some meals for us on the way down and back, but fortunately Donald and I are staying with Jan, so little costs there. (maybe some free range duck eggs )
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| sallie |
We are talking about training days - someone put forward that a change to the day might get more people attending, and i agreed it would be a good idea....
My point was that working test are usually under KC regulations and just wondered how this would effect people who's dogs did not have pedigree papers... would they be excluded from the BCGB 'working test training day'? I only used myself as an example of cost ... you know i don't attend so the argument was ... travel and expense incurred or use a local experienced gundog/hpr trainer, for ME there is no contest, i would use £200 on an experienced local trainer... not that i would dream of spending that much money out at anyone time!
The only thing i miss out on is the social event and Monet not mixing with other EB's... |
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| Patricia |
Simple...Instead of a GWT type event, maybe a training day following GWT activities. Which would stretch some of the more avanced dogs: those who are further than just obedience?
I have had those thoughts for a while, especially once people have passed their TAN. As for costs, many of us are in all parts of Britain and with the price of petrol/diesel, we are all affected ...( unless you have a company car!) and are in the same boat. It is a matter of choices. When I see what Pat Hibbs does and with her ruck sack on her back, dog in tow, on the train, the bus, etc...and not very young either. |
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| doganjo |
As I have said before - put this to John or to the Committee. | ||