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guy · seeking new home

Can anyone help? -
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I was recently approached by an elderly couple who have a 2 year old male Brit which, surprise, surprise, is too much for them. I went to see it and apart from being in need of general control it is the most superb dog I have seen for a long time. It really should be shown as it would do really well. It also has great working potential.

The owners are not desperate to get rid of it immediately but I have said I would ask around to see if anyone is looking for a special dog. It is by my dog Hawkwise highlander x Kilimazing Russet. I enclose a photo of it in the hope you may know of someone.
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Hawkwise dogs know how to work five days a week - All day.

more info on Hawkwise http://www.stevewrightfalconry.co.uk/3.html

Annie as admin · Wizard needing a home.

Perhaps the Davey's can help. We have people looking for re-homes just now. But they don't get papers so wouldn't be able to show or trial him.
Annie

Ghilliegumdrop

They would if they brought him direct from the owners.
Jan

Annie as admin

The Club can only be involved with rescues. A straightforward purchase from the owner should not be on this forum.

guy

Ghilliegumdrop

Quite right Guy, afterall if someone is looking for an older Brittany and there is one up on here then the chance of it going to a permanent home is more likely because, hopefully the people concerned with either have already had one or done their homework and know exactly what they are like. As we have found out some rescues are going to people who like the look but have no idea what a Britt is regarding exercise, training etc and the poor dog is then coming back into rescue or being abandoned. Surely it's better to let the dog be paid for than to see it being put into a kennels? Not that this one is going to suffer that fate.
Jan
PS who ever buys him can always be encouraged to make a donation and join the BCGB.

Annie as admin

Sorry to disagree. If a dog is sold through this website there is an obvious responsibility for the Club. If something goes wrong after the dog has changed hands we cannot be held reponsible and then take the dog on rescue thereafter. We have enough hassle with those that are found roaming the streets. And I don't think many have had to be re-homed by us twice. Anne Davey ensures a good match. If these people want to sell their dog there are plenty of opportunities/outlets other than here. They can contact Paul for assistance. If someone has 'done their homework' and really truly wants a Brittany they will get in touch with the Club anyway through the correct avenues - i.e. Committee member/Puppy Register/Secretary. I therefore repeat that this forum is not the correct place for a sale. It is a venue for discussion not advertising.
A

Ghilliegumdrop

OK You can climb down now!!

Britmania

I think, if this gorgeous dog is looking for a new home, he qualifies as a "rescue" dog. If there is someone out there prepared to pay money for him, let them pay an agreed sum to either the person looking after him or the club (as a donation to the rescue fund).
It depends on WHO is holding the dog at present doesnt it? If he is with a recognised "club rescue" home, then the club can accept a donation to its rescue fund. If the dog is with another family member or whoever, that person can accept payment and then pass it on to the club as a donation to the resue fund.
If the new owners want to show the dog (and I suggest this gets supported),then the club can ensure the new owners are advised on how to navigate thru the KC rules and regs.
At the end of the day, the "rescue" system is there to ensure the wellbeing of any purebred Brittany who fall on hard times and I see the club as having a role in helping in these situations. I dont think the club has a financial role in this as it is not supporting the sale of the dog, merely ensureing a rescue dog finds a good home.

Recently, I got a phonecall from a woman in Auckland, seeking a rescue home for an adult purebred Brittany.As we have no club for the breed in NZ, it is very hard to deal with these sad situations. I could only advise her on what I would do if faced with something similar.

Lastly, Barry and I would like to wish everyone we have come in contact with thru the forum a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY, SUCCESSFUL 2007 for you and your awesome Brittany friends.

Annie as admin

The dog is with his owners still. If he is a rescue he goes without papers - that means he can neither be trialled or shown, and his progeny cannot be registered. So it is far better if he is sold, if he is a good specimen, (and I cannot say whether he is or not, since I haven't seen or examined him) by his owner to a person they meet on a person to person basis. If they sell him via this website they may not find the right person for the dog. If he then comes back on rescue it will be a Club problem. I am adamant that this is not the correct place to advertise a dog for sale. I will be only too happy to help if he is put on rescue. Annie

Mugi

I will add my twopenneth in here as an observation.

I 'rescued' my welshie from his breeder and I got his papers too (with endorsements). I then went on to buy a hound who I show, by having the papers of my welshie he can go NFC to shows and especially when travelling distances this is invaluable to me as Fred (the welshie) is not happy in Unentered Dog Tents and it is hard to supervise him and a large deerhound who doesn't like benches, unless he is NFC.

I am lucky to have Mugi as a breeder rehome as we are exploring how I can get his registration transferred so he too can bench when I show Brice. It makes me wonder if the KC could consider a way of registering rescues so they can at least take part in a minor way in some of the dog events that are only open to registered dogs. I can't be the only owner who has some dogs participating in dog 'sports' and others that don't, my lifestyle is such that I often travel long distances so camp for shows, this makes it impossible to leave unentered dogs at home.

I do understand why breed rescues hang on to papers so dogs cannot be exploited but there is an interesting dilemma for some potential rehomers too.

BTW - If I didn't have a household of three entire boys that has just been 'upset' by Mugi's arrival I would be sorely tempted Wink

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guy

The Club is happy to hold a puppy register - for the benefit of a dog's breeders - and take money for the service. There is a code of practice for their guidance.

The dog in question is not a 'rescue' or about to be a rescue - but belongs to a couple whose age means they now perceive they are having difficulty providing a good home, they are seeking to resolve this in a timely manner. This must be applauded and supported - surely?

Inclusion on the forum doesn't give any 'rights' to the owner or the dog vis a vis 'rescue' nor does it imply any liability on the part of the BCGB or the Forum should the move of ownership not work out.

Readers of the forum are by their nature a self selected bunch - of breed enthusiasts - surely the ideal people to offer assistance to an owner in need and also part of a larger network of 'pre vetted' possible 'new' owners. Much better than a small ad in a local newspaper.

johnhod

Please pardon my ignorance but, if this dog is still with its owners it is not a rescue dog and, therefore does not come under the rules pertaining to rescue dogs. If the current owners wish to pass on registration papers to a new owner, either free of charge or in return for a small compensation for the training and care that they have given the dog to date, that is a matter between them and the prospective new carer.

I have to agree with Guy on the point that if you are prepared to provide a puppy register, and provide information on young dogs available for sale through this medium (along with the necessary papers), it would appear uncaring, in the least, to refuse to offer a similar service in regard to older dogs.

I suppose it's all down to whether you see rules as being there to be followed strictly, or rules as guidance to assist in making intelligent decisions.

Ghilliegumdrop

There is also the possibility that he is being 'rescued' before he needs to go into club rescue kennels and then has to be paid for out of club funds.
I agree that some provision needs to be made in a situation such as this when we, as a club could provide advise and help, and at the same time gain a new member both for show and for work. Perhaps this could be discussed at committee level in case this type of situation arises again? I am sure that we, as a club, could work out some sort of disclaimer for dogs which are rehomed through the auspices of the club [but direct from the owner] so that there is no comeback on the club if the home does not work out. Perhaps we could take a leaf out of the American Brittany Rescue and put them up on this site as owner placements but with help from club rescue passing on information to any one on the club books that is looking for a older dog with the proviso that they understand we have no control over what the owners ask/want for the dog and it is up to them to make sure that the dog is what they want.
Jan

Annie as admin

I would go along with that, Jan. I just don't want the Club to end up being reponsible for a dog that is being sold via our website. That's why i don't feel this is the right medium.
The puppy register is NOT done through the website. It is maintained by Jayne Cutler, and the only link is to her email address. Breeders pay a very minimal one off sum of £10 per litter for any contacts to be passed on to them by Jayne. The sale of the pups is between Breeder and purchaser - with no Club involvement at all. It was agreed right at the start of setting up the website that we would not advertise any individual dogs or litters and the disclaimer reads as follows - "The Brittany Club of Great Britain, its Officers or Committee, do not accept any responsibility for the content of, or any item or livestock advertised in, any linked pages from this site, WHETHER DIRECT OR INDIRECT. Any directly linked sites are subject to the approval of the Brittany Club of Great Britain, and may be removed at any time for any reason if the Brittany Club of Great Britain so decides" This covers members pages which may advertise pups.
The only problem with this dog being advertised on this forum (which is under the auspices of the Club) is that the Club is involved if there is a rescue problem in the future, by dint of it's description as being an excellent specimen.
Perhaps any Committee members on this forum might like to have an item put on the Agenda for February.
Annie

Ghilliegumdrop

Well I will put it on the agenda but, as you know, I shall not be there.
Jan

Liz

Sue makes the very good point that if people have a "rescue" or rehomed dog as well as other KC registered dogs, they have a problem as they can't enter the rescue NFC at KC events unless they have his registration papers, but if the dog's background is unknown, like Guy's dog (sorry I've forgotten his name) they can get it registered.

So far as Mugi's registration is concerned, I have now heard back from the KC that I can sign a disclaimer form, to get round the fact that I can't get signatures on the transfer form in the normal way.

Liz

Annie as admin · Piper

I had a phone call earlier today regarding Piper, an 18 month dog which needs rehoming again - he was rehomed from his original owners 3/4 months ago. New owner's son has developed serious asthma and both their dogs and cat have to go by the time he comes home from hospital at the weekend. Piper was at one time fully trained - not sure what level, but present owner says he is whistle competent. He is vaccinated, wormed, house trained, castrated, is child friendly, and can be left alone for short periods without problems.
Jan Taylor is the contact - Ghilliegumdrop to you. She is putting him in kennels near Royston tomorrow until we either find a home for him or Margaret comes back next Thursday. Let Jan know if anyone can foster him meantime or help with transport or anything else.
His papers could be made available if someone wants to Field Trial him.
Annie

Lin Dyke

Poor Piper. Hope he finds a new home really soon, forever this time. I go along with Guy and his comments about re-homed Brits, they just give so much and want to be everyones friend.

Mugi

If he eventually comes further oooop north I can probably help with transport although obviously shifts etc might be a problem.

I do hope he gets a home soon, poor lad must be confused.

Annie as admin

Jan has picked him up - photos attached. He is VERY thin and didn't seem to respond to the lady who had him, although probably because she had changed his name from Piper to Bob - well, really, what a name for a Brittany Rolling Eyes

Bob is a sheepdog's name Twisted Evil

She has two possibilites of homes for him already. So hopefully he won't be in kennels for long, although it sounds like they are pretty good ones.

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