Should I?

sallie · Should I?

Today whilst browsing the papers (on the look out for another worker) - i saw an ad for a dog ........... pointer X springer. so with brain and fingers twitching i rang the number and both parents come from working stock......... thinks?????? wouldn't that combination make for a good hunting dog - Springer intelligence and Pointer physique? As Poppy is retired through ill-health (arthritis) and i've nothing to do all day .... maybe just maybe i might go and have a look - Though last time i went to have a look at an unusual breed i fell for a Brit then got conned with the big sell Rolling Eyes

But i wouldn't be without him Wink

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guy

would it work - a spaniel is a close range ground scenting dog, a pointer is a wide ranging air scenting dog.

So will you get a spaniel that air scents or a pointer that ground scents?

If you want a dog that will range and air scent but then work cover and ground scent on command - you would be better off with a Brittany. Laughing

Personally I wouldn't get hung up on 'working stock' unless I actually saw the dogs work.

Ghilliegumdrop

So when are you going over Sallie Question

Have they had this combination before so you could at least see what they turn out like Question

Did they breed it themselves or are they rehoming because they cannot cope with it Question

johnhod

sallie

Good point Guy Sad

never thought of that

Jan - i think on reflection that i would not go for this X breed (see Guys comments) ....... but i do WANT another dog to go out with Monet, everyone i know has two workers whilst out, poor Monet works far and wide and solo, thats why i thought Pointer (though to be honest i am not taken with this breed) he would be able to keep up with Monet....

but on a lighter note i suppose i could say i have a spr inter Wink

..... thinks???? maybe thats why they bred them in the first place... hmmm

definitely not this Xbreed then Laughing

Now out to play... hopefully photos to follow

sallie

John - it was accidental but thinking of the two names together ... now i'm not so sure Rolling Eyes

They are also desperate to get rid of them. £70 each for working dogs, makes you think

doganjo

Don't you want to compete in Field Trials? Remember a cross can't do that. You've made such a good job of training Monet that I think you are well capable of going into competition.

guy

Sallie - i wonder would a working cocker meet your needs. Close range dog with desire to please already in the box.

Mugi

If you get the best from both then a close working steady dog who points..............

If you get the wrong mix then a far ranging dog that flushes too early............

I don't know - when I wanted a worker for beating I went traditional and got Piper the ESS. I was also considering a working cocker but I knew Chase wasn't steady enough to have another manic breed Laughing

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Pippa's Pack

guy

sallie

guy

How about a Clumber - I have seen Chris Page's working and they are great. Or something small like a Patterdale. Seen one of those beating as well.
? a Welshie - there is one where we pick up who does a pretty tidy job.

Mugi

sallie

The two posts above should be on the thread 'Should I' ... and thats where i have posted the answer Wink

sallie

Taken from Monets diary page ...

Guy - I am not sure i like the clumber - hefty looking dog and the only one i have met didn't have any brain. Plus isn't this dog meant to have health problems? As for Terriers - i'm not a Terrier person (views are my own etc etc) Wink

Sue - i wouldn't touch a WSS, there are many with serious health issues and as you your self know ... not that good out in the field. Plus again i don't like their shape... this is only my opinion based on dogs i have met.

Oh Yes, i am a spaniel snob Rolling Eyes

--- research i have been doing leads me to the Picardy Blue Spaniel (can't find any kennels as of yet) - another French Breed, plus i like the look of the French Spaniel, muscular with nice length of leg ... unlike the ESS

guy

working clumbers are about 80% lighter than show ones.

I understand about terriers.

How about a bleu d'auvergne - a slightly bigger than Brittany HPR
http://www.picsearch.com/pictures...bos-dh/braque%20d%27auvergne.html

doganjo

Any in the UK? Bet they're expensive! New breeds always are. How about a Cockapoo Wink

guy

Mugi

guy

I haven't found any in UK -
http://www.braque-d-auvergne.com/index.html

http://www.elevageduruisseaudemontbrun.com/

http://www.chien.com/Races/braque-d-auvergne.html

I would love one - but I doubt I will ever.

sallie

Tuts at thread stealers - whats this got to do with Monets' diary? Wink

merged here from another thread . Admin.

highclare

Well I had to reply to the thread on weather WSS are good for anything.
I do agree that the welsh springer can be single minded and that there are health problems that are being adressed openly with in all breed clubs.
I know many many WSS that work on shoots all over the UK, also many do working tests and Novice Field trials. I myself have been and run in field trials. The WSS is classed as a minor breed so unable to run in open field trials so can never be a field trial champion.
As most of you know I have a Brittany and I do work it on the shoot but it is best on open ground where it can quest out and do what it dose best. While Welsh trainned properly are great hunters and will find game right under your feet. They have fantastic noses and use the wind better than any spaniel I know.
Yes if you are a poor trainer then the Welsh will find the floors in your training and can go on a straight line into the next county.
The welsh is a carmer dog on the whole and will settle down by the fire and not move while the Brittany I have dosen't miss a trick. While I love this type of dog some people may find it tyersome!
I think the Clumber is a lovely dog and as Guy says the show dogs are heaver than the working dogs.
The one thing I can say about the welsh is we do not want to split the breed into working dogs and show dogs that would be a disarster so weather you like it or not the show dog should make the Breed look like the breed and the working dog should make the breed retain its natural abillity to work.
There will always be people who beleive that shows are bad or don't bother working there dogs, I beleive that people should be aloud to do what ever they want to do with there dogs as long as they have the welfare of there dog at the top of there list.

Gill Tully and the crazy Mabeleen.

sallie

Yes Guy - well what a find, the Braque is most certainly a stunning dog, plus another good all rounder, though way out of my price range - why do the Continent have such superb working breeds and such good looking dogs?

I know that it sounded like i was dissing the WSS, i can only go by the dogs that i have personnally been in direct contact with... in this instance the dogs are show and pet ... i know 6 in total. None, however, work with their WSS, so i tend to listen to hearsay when it comes to the working side (sorry) of this breed. I am glad that finally there is a breed of Spaniel that isn't being split into two different breeds.

The quest goes on, but top of the list is the ESS - though as i said i am concerned about their eyes and their declining height. Followed closely by the Brit and I do like the sound of the Springer X Pointer ... a fast tall springer what a challenge Confused

Anne - get real... a cockapoo, i get laughed at enough with a wimpy Brit Laughing

doganjo

Hmm - well there are Bringers about! Sorry, but I DO NOT hold with cross breeds. If one is prepared to go down the road of creating a new breed from two established ones there is an awful lot of work involved and an awful lot of reject puppies - what happens to them??? If you are putting two established breeds together deliberately without the intention of creating a new breed then you are just out to make money! JMHO
I will never buy a designer dog as they call them, mind you I'll never buy another anything else than a Brittany anyway. Rolling Eyes

Annie

Ghilliegumdrop

They won't get rich quick charging £70 per pup will they Question

Dave A

How about this one ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braque_du_Bourbonnais

sallie

- £70 plus wormed and frontlined!!

Been out to see a few springers ... not what i am looking for Rolling Eyes

Really want a dog before the new season starts so at least i can get them used to the penns and maybe a short drive.... Credit where credit is due, Monet was out working at 8 months (easy drives and penn work) and was very good, not tight, but understood what was expected.

I don't want a sprocker ... 2 i know are gun-shy! The search goes on.... but think i am coming close to a decision.

Mugi

Sallie - I took on a rescue working ESS and haven't looked back. If you want an out and out beating dog then I still think ESS are best.

sallie

Yeah - they are fantastic dogs, its just down here they are only slightly bigger than the cocker and the eyes give me great concern. You were very lucky with Piper, what you have said - he sounds a very good sound dog - just what i am looking for, but i don't do rescues!

Braque_du_Bourbonnais - another fine looking dog... starting to wish i had land and money Smile

Patricia

Sadly, you won't find those French Braques here...How about a Griffon Korthals? More sedate than a Brittany, and I am told are good retrievers...and are in the UK, have nice long legs too...and not "unpredictable" crossbreds Wink

I still would not change my Brittanys for any others in the world Very Happy