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guy

westminster show

Cross posted from the CEB Site  

http://video.westminsterkennelclu.../player/?id=216620#videoid=216825
guy

.... pm me for pictures
Annie as admin

Just goes to show they are a different breed!
Lin Dyke

I haven't seen the whole vid' yet (too impatient to wait for it to download maybe Rolling Eyes ) but so far not seen a single roan.  Are the Americans not "into" the roan colouring  Question
Victoria

Top right foto; wot is she doing with her hand...??????
Ghilliegumdrop

Strangling the dog it looks like Evil or Very Mad
sallie

Mmm - Monet looks nothing like these dogs.  Any news on changing the breed name?
Annie as admin

Monet is a French Brittany not an American Brittany, as are all the Brits owned by people on this forum.  He should NOT look like these.  I don't even know why they have been posted on here.  It will only lead to confusion.  This is a UK Brittany forum. I was tempted to leave only the  external link.  If anyone has difficulty discerning the differences please ask - do not assume - ask and learn
I think the picture referred to by John is the judge measuring the shoulder gap................................
Annie
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sallie

my comments were said with tongue in cheek - i do know the difference between the french and american brittany.  my point in a round about sort of way was - they are different from each other and are obviously not the same dog  Very Happy
Annie as admin

Didn't mean to insult you Sallie, but there are some on here who might not know the differences if they are new to the breed, so it's better to point it out.  I would rather these images were looked at as a link not pictures on here in case someone thinks that's what they should look like - some UK Judges have been known to browse here.
Annie
johnhod

Some groomers must look at the American breed when deciding how to clip Brittanys too
sallie

Not taken Monet to be groomed yet - a bit too scared as there is no-one i trust and i don't want him to be clipped too short, i like his feathers!!
Annie as admin

Don't clip him at all!  Just use thinning scissors on the under parts of his ears so they don't get too bulky, and on his rear end to preserve the square look.  Place the scissors up underneath the hair and clip a little at a time.  The top hairs will then lie flat over the trimmed area.  If necessary the feathers at the end of his tail can also be trimmed.  If his leg feathering is excessive use the same method for that.
Annie
sallie

Thanks for that - i shall invest in some proper thinning scissors... poor Monet  Laughing
guy

admin wrote:
I don't even know why they have been posted on here.  It will only lead to confusion.  This is a UK Brittany forum. I was tempted to leave only the  external link.
Annie
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Posted because I want to understand as much as possible about the breed and its history, the direction the American Brittany has taken is part of the story.  i thought others might be similarly interested.

Apologies for any confusion - the Westminster Show is in America not London.

The beginnings of a lively debate can be found here http://www.epagneul-breton.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=5729
Annie as admin

Quote:
Posted because I want to understand as much as possible about the breed and its history, the direction the American Brittany has taken is part of the story.  i thought others might be similarly interested


The histories of our breed and the American Brittany are both well documented elsewhere.  This is a forum for the French version.  I am quite happy to explain the diffrences to anyone interested.

If anyone wishes to participate in that discussion go ahead but I feel the quote below makes everything clear, I agree wholeheartedly.  The discussion on teh French forum was incidentally begun by a person who owns both breeds.  It must be difficult to keep them apart at times.

Quote:
I have been to the EB Museum in Callac and witnessed first hand the photo that arises in that Video and is referenced by Stuyvesant.
The dogs that are good dogs in that Photo are the VERY SAME EBs as we see today.

Yes there are some examples exactly like the ones we see in these pictures and they probably came to the USA right after THAT show  

There are good examples in any Show and not so good ones, too-----even at Rennes.

Who pays any attention to a Show Dog from the USA?
Even the American Brittany was SPLIT a long time ago into Show, Horseback Field Trial and Hunting Dogs.
We American people know that.
You do not really believe that the majority of the Brittany Show Dogs are hunted or field trialed, do you?

No.

Greg
Mugi

I have found this thread interesting and followed the link through to the other forum to read the debate there. I wonder if Guy changed the title of his post to clarify that the Westminster Show is showcasing the American Brittany that may avoid the confusion you are concerned about Annie???
Annie as admin

Not really, Sue.  Most people know there isn't a Westminster Show in the UK.  My point is that this is a never-ending discussion.  I have seen it on the yahoo group list for some 6 years.  It never gets anywhere and I just didn't see the point of keeping up the discussion on here.  It is perhaps safe enough here, but if these pictures were posted on non EB forums they would certainly give the wrong impression of what our breed should look like, and that could affect future judging in the UK - all rounders browse these forums too, and it is difficult enough for them as it is.
Annie
Ghilliegumdrop

Would the judge feel the shoulder gap whilst kneeling on the ground Question  Question
Annie as admin

Who knows?  It is America after all!

Incidentally, the argument over AB/AB rages on in Yahoo - http://uk.f280.mail.yahoo.com/dc/launch?.rand=8ok46qr7jrq35

You might need to join the group to read the messages
Annie as admin

And a quote from my good friend, Pierre Willems, Treasurer of the CEB, will explain a great deal - This was a comment on the French Brittany Group
Quote:
"The American Brittany and the French
Brittany have split over the past 50 years because the clubs have
no common mission and no desire or need to collaborate. The standards
are different. The function of the breed has become different. The
difference is not good or bad."


PIERRE'S RESPONSE -
Quote:
"The one and only problem is when one pretends that the "Brittany spaniel" is the "Epagneul Breton."

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