Sorry to be playing Devils Advocate ... but ... here is the stance they will probably take:
Because the Bob-tail is a throw back from a faulty gene, it will not be recognised. The Epagneul Breton will however be recognised as a breed, as long as it has a full tail (or legally docked tail)... the implications mean that Bob-tails will not carry papers and therefore should not be bred from... the idea carried forward by 'council' would be to breed back out the faulty gene. They would also look disparagingly at breeding bob with bob ... as this could be interpretted as the genetic engineering of the breed. 'Council' will also take the view that - Though there are no recorded incidences of health problems this is not to say that there are none - just that they have not been recorded.
...Sorry, but i have spent many years studying politics, law and the cjs to know how they think and work... thats why i come across as negative to your cause... i'm not as i have a Bob-tail with no papers... welcome to my world ... no showing, no competing, and no recognition from the BCGB
Don't think that's true, Sallie. there are a number of members who were given free first year's membership when they took on a rescue dog and they don't have papers either. Did someone refuse your application to join the Brittany Club? Was it properly propopsed and seconded?
Secondly as far as I am aware the French have never considered the bobtail to be a faulty gene. In fact I believe the very first specimens of our breed were short or bob tailed and the others were docked to match. Can you quote your source please?
However, that said I can see where you're coming from and I think you may be right that the 'do-gooders' will try to 'protect' our breed from nasty people such as myself that prefer the bobtail to the long-tail. Goodness - they may even stop me judging in case I put a bobtail first
Annie _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
Thanks to Guy i was able to join the BCGB - but what has it done for my dog?????? Nothing!!!! ... in all honesty i would rather the money had gone to the brittany rescue centre.
A bit flabberghasted with your answer Anne... You are a wonderful person who has supported me with the trauma of owning Monet... my questions were not damning you as you care for your dogs...
It was to play devils advocate - to make you work as a team - to make you realise that dogs are naturally born with tails, not to be born with one goes against the grain... genetic default!
I tried to highlight to you all the way that MPs, Law Lords, and Welfare Charities will look into your case... i'm sorry but the answer i got was well.... the sort of remark that would hold back your case... Sorry Anne, i hope that this will not stop us keeping in-touch.
Your arguments need to be well thought through, evidence needs to be professionally represented with facts and figures.
I do love Monet to bits ... though i am yet to be convinced that being naturally bob-tailed is a benefit, or attractive and with Monet of yet there are no health issues concerning his back or balance.
keep a clear head and keep focussed - its a serious and a much needed debatable issue
Thanks to Guy i was able to join the BCGB - but what has it done for my dog?????? Nothing!!!!.
I suppose many members of any club might say the same. At first glance, it hasn't done any of my dogs any good either. But I have learned a lot from fellow members over the last 22 years and I enjoy the company at the various events we have. I don't always take my dogs to the shows but I have learned a lot by taking Allez to a couple of the the training days. And I do enjoy the newsletter. £10 is quite a lot of money, perhaps we could do more for members - all suggestions to improve are always welcome.
As usual, my facetious sense of humour has come out all wrong in the written word. I know exactly what you meant about politics and how they can manipulate everything. But it is definitely supposed to be the case that the very first Epagneul Breton was a bobtail, and it is accepted in France. You may be right about our breed not being allowed to be bred for bobtails but I hope that is a long way off. Especially since the Kennel Club now allows bobtailed pups to be registered as such. Our breed is generally healthy so perhaps raising another issue would be a mistake? What do others think? _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
...lol - bit tetchy this evening, first time that i haven't been able to go out to celebrate... sorry for picking a fight... something that i am not good at (apologising and fighting). I know my excuse for not celebrating... but whats yours? Happy New Year Anne - love from me and Monet
well, Sallie, Chris (Britmania) and I tried to have this subject thrashed out some time ago but it all turned to custard. I do not know why this matter seems to bring so much emotive negativism out...it is so important yet...well, the rest they say is history...I have said all I intend to write about this subject for the time being...but as Breton owners and breeders we should be able to debate this matter at 3000decibels without getting silly about it...IT EFFECTS US ALL!!!!
Glad to see you back!! _________________ "...amitie, respect mutuel et amour..."
The views expressed by me are my own and not that of the BCGB therefore they are not intended to offend
I like that Sallie. It seems to imply that views of the BCGB are intended to offend That may be the intention of some members but not all of us. _________________ My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
Happy New Year to you all whether you went Partying or not... We did not as I had an influx of people, family over etc...and I am tired of cooking!
The BCGB is often there for its members in its defence. Sally, try to talk to one or two of them, you may be suprised Like Anne, I have been in situations where I have needed that help and Margaret for one was always there for me and I know for others too. None of us agree all of the time. But we work for the breed.
For one, I think animal laws are ill thought out and do not have my respect. Look at the DDA, the hunting ban etc... I am positive those " do gooders "will not stop until they ban dog showing, make our life hell in the breeding of dogs etc...Once they have achieved all of that, they'll move on to something else as they have nothing to fill their sad lives.
Bob tails: So many Brittanys are tailless in France and abroad. A lovely Swiss lady Anka, breeds quality dogs with that gene in mind. I can send a link if needed. One of the officers of the French club also breeds several tailless or short docks. That may be where people cringe.
We simply need to keep a database. Problems should be reported.
I will report back again when I breed from my bob tail later...
If all of this comes as offensive, it is not, it is only our tone which is passionate
I know my excuse for not celebrating... but whats yours?
A cold/flu - but fed it half a bottle of wine at midnight and it's beginning to fade away. And here's me, the one that said she'd never drink alone in case of becoming an alcoholic like my grandfather. Glug glug! _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
Hi Victoria... didn't realise that this had been debated before and was only replying to the recent post if nothing has been done since last debated an old saying by my Grand-dad comes to mind 'apathy and complacency bring forth contempt' ... lets hope that this is not the case here.
John ... my signature has been there for 6 months... have you only just noticed? Plus i have now amended it so that it doesn't offend any particular party ... mind you it might now offend everyone
Hope all goes well in the campaign and stay focussed. On a last note - Monet will be my only Brittany - they are a lovely loyal devoted dog with a passion to hunt and please, aren't these traits more important than any argument about bob tails?
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welcome to my world ... no showing, no competing, and no recognition from the BCGB
but not all of us.
We did not as I had an influx of people, family over etc...and I am tired of cooking!
if nothing has been done since last debated an old saying by my Grand-dad comes to mind 'apathy and complacency bring forth contempt' ... lets hope that this is not the case here.
Plus i have now amended it so that it doesn't offend any particular party 