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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to admit that it never lodged in my underused brain before.  Maybe I was too interested in the content of the post to notice the signature before. Embarassed
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi Victoria... didn't realise that this had been debated before and was only replying to the recent post  Embarassed  if nothing has been done since last debated an old saying by my Grand-dad comes to mind 'apathy and complacency bring forth contempt' ... lets hope that this is not the case her

Hope all goes well in the campaign and stay focussed. On a last note - Monet will be my only Brittany - they are a lovely loyal devoted dog with a passion to hunt and please, aren't these traits more important than any argument about bob tails?


Please look under Section Conformation for topics on the debate of tails.
Yes, Sallie, in my view these traits are vital to the breed, but so too is the tailless factor as it is going (in countries where docking is banned) to see (and is already happening) breeding of bobs to bobs with the WELL DOCUMENTED AND SCIENTIFICALLY SUBSTANTIATED consequences...not much use having one of the most prey urgent of breeds if THE WHOLE PICTURE OF THE BREED IS NOT SEEN  by breeders...as breeders we are not breeding for now, but for the future generations...of the Breton, not humans Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WELL DOCUMENTED AND SCIENTIFICALLY SUBSTANTIATED


I haven't seen any papers on the matter - can you give me your source please, if you can, I'd like to see others results as well as some I received from France
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have said all I intend to write about this subject for the time being...

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pierre also warned of the dangers of bob to bob matings.   I am still trying to find some literature on the potentiality of trauma to the endometrium with repeated absorption of foeti.


This is what you wrote but I can't find anything else.  In the list of litters Pierre sent me only one is shown as having any problems - I've attached it here.  Did he tell you of other problems, because he didn't give me any.  If you have done more research and have new information it would be extremely useful for us all.  The supposed re-absorption does not actually occur according to Dr Cattanach.  It is rather a matter of non-implantation, which would not affect the bitch to any extent.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anne - do you have any explanation for your file?  

Ano? QL golden retrievers and how the repeat matings column works?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the repeat mating column he gives the number of the litter followed by an equals sign for the number of the previous litter, and again for others prior to that.

Ano (annouri? I think) = born natural short, QL = Queue Longue.

Patricia can maybe help with the translation.

Pierre has goldies too, or had, not sure if he still has.  Obvioulsy no bobs there  Wink   But he listed all the litters he has had over the years (this list goes up to around 18 months ago I think)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ano is Anoure...Bob tail.
Yes, QL is long tail.
I don't think Pierre has Goldens now? I know Annie wanted and has a Cavalier Confused
I fully intend to let Anne have my data when I breed short tails.( if she does) My  imported bitch has a stump and will be mated a to a tailed dog. the mating will be done for the usual working and conformation qualities. It is true I don't want tails myself. brave  Exclamation
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patricia wrote:
Ano is Anoure...Bob tail.
Yes, QL is long tail.
I don't think Pierre has Goldens now? I know Annie wanted and has a Cavalier Confused
I fully intend to let Anne have my data when I breed short tails.( if she does) My  imported bitch has a stump and will be mated a to a tailed dog. the mating will be done for the usual working and conformation qualities. It is true I don't want tails myself. brave  Exclamation


Thanks, Patricia, and YES please!!! More information we have on this breed trait the better.



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