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Patricia
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on Eddie, how can you better the Brittany? Wink
Victoria, you are right, years ago," such accidents" would have been given away...
At the end of the day, breeding is about selection. For specific characteristics( previously for function).  May moons ago ( and  still in some countries) a dog who did not fill its purpose would have been dispatched.
I'll give a small example: I help train a Border Collie, who is calm and a bit " flat". Not a problem dog.
In the previous class is a young Border from pure sheepdogs stock who is manic. I asked the lady who was worried by its temperament ( having had a quite Border before). To be told the dam of the Collie turned antisocial and was rather" sharp" and agressive.
Now, put this to a " Hyper Springer or else, and here we go... It is all about selection whatever you " put" together. JMO...
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Victoria
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The way I see it is that if breeds have been historically docked, then they were historically docked for very real reasons...not out of some sadistic tryanny but to protect them in their work...
am I right in understanding that there is an outage, if you like, for working breeds regarding docking...if this is right, then would a constant avalache of 'applications' give weight to this matter?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You still can get the 'original' working dogs docked, though vets are a bit reluctant... legally they are in a precarious position. Cross-breeds however, although many are worked cannot be docked... there is no legal criteria and as the law stands vets cannot legally dock them. I doubt any protest will change the mind of government to add an amendment to the law as it stands; so these dogs will have to contend with painful tail injuries and in the worse case amputation.... so much for animal welfare  Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well there is someone asking for amendments to the DD Act, you never know, in another twenty years someone may put in an amendment to the Docking of Dogs Act.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

.... yeah and by then, pigs would have learnt to fly  Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too true Sallie Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes
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Patricia
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2009 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 of my vets are not reluctant. Having had to amputate, they are only too aware of the problems. At least they understand the terrible damage done by a constantly bloody tail.
I think the French are beginning to take this seriously as, as yet, they have an " exclusion" clause.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patricia you said '2 of my vets are not reluctant.' do you mean they are docking working cross-breeds?... if so, they are leaving themselves open to prosecution .... or are they amputating damaged tails?

Be careful ... walls have ears  Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2009 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, what I mean is that my vet sympathises with dogs who damage their tail so badly they have to amputate... We all know it is a PC subject.
God knows why though.  No, my vet will not do anyhting else that proven working dogs following the law to the letter.
But, at least they do understand working dogs Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed today that there are 2 adverts for docked Sprockers in this months Sporting Gun one of which has a certificate, presumably of docking?

Keith


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