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Lin Dyke
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2009 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmm.  What an interesting legal argument.  A working springer can be legally docked, as can a working cocker, so, why not a cross of these breeds  Confused   Whilst being neither pure springer nor cocker but a hybrid of two breeds that can be legally docked, perhaps it could be argued to be legitimate to dock them  Confused Any legal eagles out there  Question  Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just found this on the Defra website.  Looks like mongrels can be docked

http://www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/welfare/act/pdf/tail-docking.pdf

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Frequently asked questions
What kind of working dogs can be docked?
Any spaniel, terrier, hunt point retrieve breed or their crosses can be docked
(as long as the necessary evidence indicating that they are likely to work
is produced).

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 8:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks John.  So there is a bit of common sense within defra  Wink   Shame there's not more  Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote from DEFRA

'(as long as the necessary evidence indicating that they are likely to work is produced).'

Above is the legal argument..............

again the legislation it is too grey and left open to legal interpretation  Laughing  'likely to work' doesn't mean they will work - then what happens when candidates from the 'pc' lobby become involved? This is why i feel vets are unwilling to dock in some (not all) cases, legally vets have to be very careful.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have got 2 bitches and one dog pup left from an accidental mating, the two bitches have got tails but the dog was born without one.they are all black and white and the parents are from top lines in their respective breeds.


I have just spotted this Advert on another forum, It is an accidental mating of a Cocker x Britt.  The interesting thing is that the Dog is tailless even with a cross ??
Just thought some off you may find thay interesting.

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Patricia
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have also seen years ago a Brittany X mongrel( Springer X ???)
Out of 3 offspring, one half tail, one no tail, one full tail....
I wonder if the ad was really from an accidental mating or???? Idea
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many years ago I saw pics of pups from an accidental mating of a Brit/Irish setter, and the pups had a variety of tail lengths - none, short and full length.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If a dog is a natural short/bob tail it can reproduce that trait regardless of whatever breed it is mated too.  
It cannot reproduce it if it is not short/bob itself even though it has siblings that are short/bob tailed.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Labradoodle Puppies - Parents Working Gundogs | Untrained   £650.00


It looks like having a mongrel is a bargain  Shocked  Shocked  Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm beginning to think the £1000 stud fee offered for Allez to be used on a working springer bitch was about right Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes   The owner wanted to take the bobtail gene into the breed since we can't dock up here.  Perhaps I should have taken it...................... Laughing  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing



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