I take it this is what you meant in your last post.
Qu'est-ce que vous semez aujourd'hui vous récolter demain
Or, to quote an old English Proverb:
"As ye sow, so shall ye reap"
How about:
"The sins of the Fathers shall be visited upon the sons"
In this case, way back, a Brittany lady had a 'dalliance' with a gentleman of suspicious origins and now look what has happened.
Sorry Victoria, only joking, it's that peculiar British sense of humour again. _________________ If your dog thinks you are the best do not seek a second opinion!
Whilst I am feeling all poetical, how many people have read the poem by William Blake entitled "The Little Black Boy"?
I should think that is how the poor sable Brittany would feel now if he knew all this was going on. Thank goodness he is oblivious to it all. _________________ If your dog thinks you are the best do not seek a second opinion!
Or even the 'sable' English Setter that may have started it all _________________ Jan
Merlin, hips 9/9=18 and Ghillie, hips 8/9=17
Pull [n or v] An equal and opposite force perpetrated on both ends of a lead that results in the inevitable tripping and falling of the human involved!!
Interestingly enough today I met a nice couple of Falconers who came to collect their puppy. They had had a Brittany from Ray Greenwood's "G" litter who worked well all her life. On giving each buyer their breeding endorsement I stipulated the fact I did not wish my dogs to be bred to " Sable"dogs. The gentleman in question knew of one such coloured dog way back 15 years ago and most definitely did not wish to own such a colour.
News travel fast even with Falconers-3 of my pups are going to hawking people- One showed me a Whole litter of Sable pups on his mobile and informed the friend of friend this was not an acceptable colour!
So education can work. What people do after that , as Jan says, cannot be controlled, but I hope to control what goes on with lines I have so carefully brought in. And as I am French anyway and my sense of humour is different, I sympathise with Victoria
I can understand that people view this as a serious subject, but to be honest, I think the jokes are being made because many of us are sick fed up of a subject that goes round and round with no solution.
If the sable was introduced via the English Setter then it won't be got rid of easily. If it was through a mis-alliance around 50 years ago it won't be got rid of easily. If it was a more recent mis-alliance then it may even have been done deliberately and it won't be got rid of easily. It might even become a designer dog
Perhaps your experience is that people don't like them but mine is the opposite. I haven't met anyone that doesn't like them, and those who don't know what they are have said (as many others have) - what does it matter - it doesn't affect their work, does it? Even Pierre finds them quite attractive and the masked ones not so, although (for the moment at least) they are within standard.
What we must remember is that in the UK our standard does not allow sable! We can have orange and white, black and white, liver and white, and correctly marked tricolours only. So were we not ahead of the game and of France????? _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
I have moved my reply as it is more appropriate here.
Wyngold wrote:
Using the Genetic Color Chart to select mates.
Look at prospective Orange dogs carefully to see if they have black (black based Sables) or Liver whiskers (Liver based sables).
Do DNA test on litters that produce sables to find those that are not carrying in the litter if any.
If the Parents are not Tricolors and they produced sables then test them to find out if one or both are carriers.
Thanks for that, Goldie. I'm sure your information will help us all in the UK to breed better EB's. I saw a number of dogs at the NE that I would class as sable - including at least two that were in the orange and white rings. Others saw them too. I wish we had taken their numbers. Just didn't think of it.
I was told there is a range between dominant and recessive so shouldn't we perhaps wait for the DNA results from qualified geneticists to see exactly what the genetic cause of the sable is? Isn't Mother Nature strange? I think SHE is dominant, not us - or the genes. It seems odd to me that we do not seem to get so heated about patella luxation, HD, undershot mouths, bad temperament as we do about colour - a part of the dog that doesn't affect it's health...........................
(By the way Todd is looking for you - apparently he expected to meet you to do a dog transfer? He was at your pre-arranged meeting point but must have missed you? I have emailed him to say he can contact you on here by PM since you are no longer on the French Brittany list in USA. I had heard you were moving?) _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
[i] Isn't Mother Nature strange? I think SHE is dominant, not us - or the genes. It seems odd to me that we do not seem to get so heated about patella luxation, HD, undershot mouths, bad temperament as we do about colour - a part of the dog that doesn't affect it's health...........................
[b]HERE, HERE!!
It totally amazes me that HD and bad temperament do not seem to matter to some exhibitors. How can they justify continuing to show dogs with either? I thought the show ring was there to display the best of a breed.
Have I got it wrong _________________ If your dog thinks you are the best do not seek a second opinion!
I thought the show ring was there to display the best of a breed.
Have I got it wrong
That was once my belief (how cynical I have become in such a short time). _________________ My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
[quote="doganjo"]I have moved my reply as it is more appropriate here.
Wyngold wrote:
I was told there is a range between dominant and recessive so shouldn't we perhaps wait for the DNA results from qualified geneticists to see exactly what the genetic cause of the sable is? Isn't Mother Nature strange? I think SHE is dominant, not us - or the genes. It seems odd to me that we do not seem to get so heated about patella luxation, HD, undershot mouths, bad temperament as we do about colour - a part of the dog that doesn't affect it's health...........................
Well Qualified geneticists have already mapped this color and we have already submitted many EB DNA towards this research. It has already been shown how this particular color is expressed using the K & ay genes.
Dr. S. Schmutz at the Univ. of Sask. published this information a few years back whereby I already provided the articles and such to the CEB and posted the photo of the Mamalian Genome article where it was published on their English side of Forum when it happened. It is quite clear that a dog such as the photo you posted as well as a totally "yellow" (cream orange dog) can both be carrying just one 'ay' gene. The appearance can vary greaty due to other genes. So one has to educate themselves as to what a "correct" EB color should be. Funny thing we saw similar colors in the American lines many years ago, and yet in American lines we see nary such colors any more...hmmm
Since the French club edict refers to the black over orange dress only it stands to reason that many Liver over Orange dress dogs will slip through the cracks.
_________________ Goldie Coats
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