We have that facility on the actual database. What Donald needs to do is tell Jan which field to use for the information so that it can be pulled up on the website. But owners need to give their consent for that to be done. _________________ Annie
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Well today I have been speaking to a French judge- a long standing one, who has been around so is experienced-
He has received the instructions from the CEB about the Sables and the eliminating orders as from next year.
He mentionned Cockers and Poodles...Now, are Cockers allowed to be bred from different colours? Or can they all be mated together?
The question of the Tricolour came up as this " fashion" encouraged people to mix various coats far more than was at one time. In an effort to produce Tricolours. This colour commands higher prices( Don't know why personally)
He had seen fringeings on ears and black hair on necks some time ago
One thing I had not seen is a Black spot( random) in the middle of the back of an Orange dog
Ok, lets talk colour only here and temporarily ignore all other considerations of our breed.
I wouldn't like to see this -
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a Black spot( random) in the middle of the back of an Orange dog
I have seen black fringing on ears, also liver, and also dark orange; both in France and here in the UK. I saw one dog in Norway with dark orange on its ears and back line but no stretch of the imagination could have called it black or liver - so what colour was that dog? I would say an orange and white but likely to be carrying the sable gene. I think we really do have a helluva lot of dogs in the UK carrying this gene. I have worked back a number of pedigrees and traced them to common ancestors - Unter and Urak. But those may not be the only ones. These two dogs came in very early and are in a lot of the top kennels lines.
Parti coloured Cockers (blue roan, orange roan, chocolate roan, tricolour) are normally bred separately from solid colours(red, black, golden) You can get black and tans as well. But on the odd occasion some breeders have bred them together to improve on a particular trait - parti's are said to have a better temperament, but are often not quite so cobby looking - however, that could be just colour tricking the eye. I had a black tricolour cocker a long time ago as well as a golden and a blue roan - all were shown with great success.. There was cocker rage syndrome at one time which was mainly in solids, then it came into partis too so they must have been bred together. Our golden was put down for rage syndrome in 1982 which is why and when we changed breeds and came into Brittanys.
I know nothing of poodles except that they have a great range of colours - about 8 I think, they must be all solid and must be clear colours. In addition the different colours specify nose and eye colours, lips, and even toenails. Non solid colours are heavily penalised. So no tricolours there. _________________ Annie
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Thank you for this confirmation of Cocker colours. I believe that is what I was told. So, why are not ALL colours mixed together?
As in Poodles? Mind you, down the road from me is a dog Groomer who breeds parti coloured Standard and toy poodles. Black and white. It made quite a stir in the showing world,as she showed them, but they are very popular with some people
The reasoning is: if Cockers are not mixed, why Brittanys, hence this maybe the reason for all these odd colors- in search of producing Tris- Fashion...
btw, I saw what looked like a Sable Cocker at a small Open show last week end.Enjoyed watching various breeds and watched Pug judging for a change!!!
The reasoning is: if Cockers are not mixed, why Brittanys, hence this maybe the reason for all these odd colors- in search of producing Tris- Fashion...
Because there aren't any solid colours in our breed.
What I said was that SOLID colours are not (generally speaking) bred to PARTI colours (parti colours being more than one colour - which includes tricolours)
This CANNOT therefore be the reason for sables in our breed.
They have been in existence for a long time and are very popular. _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
Anne, I am not referring to Sables now. Just the fact that years ago, the Breton people never used to mix their colours so much. I am actually quoting something said by more than one "older" French judges.
Ah, I see. So for instance a black and white or a liver and white would never have been mated to an orange and white, even though a liver and white was the first Champion inn the Breed, quote "The first French Champion in the breed was a liver and white dog named MAX DE CALLAC"
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