That is the way it has been and will be for working type breeds that still focus on both aspects as opposed to the split that has occured in so many breeds into a work type and a show type
So by this quote are you meaning that you would like to see the EB split into two different 'aspects' i.e. show or working lines (like for eg ESS) - because it 'allegedly' makes for better breeding?
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That is the way it has been and will be for working type breeds that still focus on both aspects as opposed to the split that has occured in so many breeds into a work type and a show type
So by this quote are you meaning that you would like to see the EB split into two different 'aspects' i.e. show or working lines (like for eg ESS) - because it 'allegedly' makes for better breeding?
NOPE...but it is often what is forced upon a breed by the show fraternity,
and especially by those who own non-working breeds.
AND by the fact that shows often require that dogs be shown "fat" to hide and smooth an outline the same dogs in working condition are often overlooked. This even happens in France....working weight can equate to a TB and show conditioning of the same dog will get you an Exc. or if too heavy for a certain frame get you measured out! _________________ Goldie Coats
Wyngold Britanys
Bend, OREGON, USA
I have a WSS and a few times I have been told he is 'too lean' and 'too muscled' (Not breed specialists Gill ). He used to compete at agility and yes he is kept in lean fit condition. Both Mugi and Chase have had comment on their muscle tone and all my dogs (including the deerhound) have good, firm, sleek muscles but none are over muscled as to me that is abnormal also.
To me it would be a total disaster if we diverge another breed into work or show but we also do have to be honest and weed out (of the breeding programme not out of a happy and fulfilled life) any dogs that are not good enough.
I am lucky with my experience of Brittanys as I have been blessed with two lovely and typical dogs - Mugi by accident and Chase cos even though in many ways it wasn't the right time he was definitely the right dog. Freddy my WSS, even ignoring his hereditary eye problem would never have been bred from as he has temperament issues that may be down to his early start but as I don't know he would never father pups. Brice my deerhound had a number of offers as he is stunning, but he has c**p feet and front pasterns and as the breed is undergoing a breeding programme that seems too lax I don't feel he adds enough to the gene pool. Just cos I can I don't see I have to use my boys - I love them to bits but I also am not blinded to their faults and they are my pets first and foremost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _________________ Sue, Chase and the non-Brittany boys - Brice & Piper. Pets first and foremost.
Thank heavens for that as the reason i changed from ESS to EB was because of the poor breed standards... e.g. workers with short legs, temperament change, length of ear, jaw etc.
As previously stated i need a good loyal working dog that is able to hunt for at least 6 hours per day, 3 days per week in whatever terrain or weather; the EB although i find hard to train has certainly met that criteria. Again it is thanks to the breeders staying true to the EB standards.
Yes...but it was not obvious at 8 weeks! It became an issue when the pups were over 5 months, the lenght of leg was short..and no knuckle. Good bone, very cobby, enthousiastic, swimming, retrieving etc...The fact remains I need the complete package. and that is not at the bottom end of standard. No, I have not weighed our hares
Poor little mite, it would be hard work in sugar beet too
Give me long legs any day, Athos sure covers some ground fast, far and wide...
Well Goldie, if I had put Darcy next to Athos, I would have had Little and Large...May as well be different breeds He is on my web site and has no trouble in rough terrain
I look back at some of the old photos in French books and see a square dog , tall on legs , not a midget with no...legs
If everyone kept to the breed standard then there would not be these problems. Having a breed standard that everyone can interpretate helps.
Show people have show people judging their dogs...how can a show judge (without trial or hunting experience) understand the musculature of the breed...I have had my dogs persecuted in the ring for having muscle tone (as clearly defined in the breed standard)...
_________________ "...amitie, respect mutuel et amour..."
Standard...47 cms is "in the standard" ... up to 51 cms with tolerance either way -in the standard-
Put those size dogs next to each other and see...
I fully appreciate little of large dogs can be fabulous workers, but with those sizes in the gene pool, we can be opened to all sorts of surprises when breeding. As confirmation allows a definitive pedigree.
It is hard to stay dual purpose in such cases.
My mistake: Try to have tailless and can't say I am prepared to compromise on quality. So back to square one or a long all trip round France to check out recommended studs who are tailless.work.are beautiful
Is it worth it though? And a very expensive experiment
I have learnt a lot through my mistakes!!!! I have been lucky that Odille Quefellou put me onto the Keranlouan kennel. For me no one has touched him...so far.
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). He used to compete at agility and yes he is kept in lean fit condition. Both Mugi and Chase have had comment on their muscle tone and all my dogs (including the deerhound) have good, firm, sleek muscles but none are over muscled as to me that is abnormal also.
