If you google hip dysplasia in dogs, it will come up with sites that show xrays done on varying degrees of HD. You can go on there and frighten yourself silly if you want _________________ Jan
Merlin, hips 9/9=18 and Ghillie, hips 8/9=17
Pull [n or v] An equal and opposite force perpetrated on both ends of a lead that results in the inevitable tripping and falling of the human involved!!
I am so sorry to read this, Waldo, especially with all the work you both have done leading up to the shooting season. I would definitely get a second opinion on this...I would also get the whole leg x-rayed...x-raying a puppy under 24 months for this condition is giving the vet money. And of course, the condition is 'fashionable' just as parvovirus was a decade or so ago...if your dog had a dribbly nose for any reason it had to be parvo! The plates they used under the microscope to ascertain the organism showed them to look like this...$$$$$$
The genetics of hip dyplasia are as curious as any...if breeding criterias demand A, B, C ratings then why are dogs still showing up as supposedly dyplasic?? Try and find a copy of the world renown herbalist Juliette de Barclai Levi's book on dogs and have a read of her opinions on HD... _________________ "...amitie, respect mutuel et amour..."
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The genetics of hip dyplasia are as curious as any...if breeding criterias demand A, B, C ratings then why are dogs still showing up as supposedly dyplasic?? Try and find a copy of the world renown herbalist Juliette de Barclai Levi's book on dogs and have a read of her opinions on HD...[/quote]
First off...B & C are dysplastic for some countries.
For instance in the USA a B2 FCI rating is like sitting on the borderline and in a short time often turns dysplastic. In Germany they call this a "fast Normal" or light dysplasia. The C rating is definately Dysplastic.
Also we still have dysplasia because it is not just about parental ratings.
It is also about environment, with a 25% envioronment contributing factor.
Diet, footing during the first 60 days of life and the fact that it is not a single gene responsible for dysplasia but a multitude of them be it too large a socket, too small a head, or too large a head and a long round ligament...so many components go int9 the formation and fitting of the joint just like a tood straight rear or too steep a pelvis contribute to excess pressure and forces on the joint in the wrong way. _________________ Goldie Coats
Wyngold Britanys
Bend, OREGON, USA
In Germany it is only allowed to breed with "A" or "B" hips. Is there any other limit like this in GB or other countries?
The norwegian club use a very interesting system to rate the hips. It´s called HQ for Hip Quality. This system was first used by the german vet Dr. Beuing. Very interesting is the involment of the whole family. Look here:
YES !
This is what index traits need to use to help improve on this kind of problem. This system is used in the UK but for other traits such as seizures in Keshonden and some other breeds. Seizures just like Hip Dysplasia is a threshold trait....you could even use this for size issues as well since size is also a threshold trait. Additive traits can make clear or bad results....this scoring helps you identify a family where they have greater "additive" traits for improvement.
BUT until a country makes in mandatory for all scores to be reported
you will never have the FAMILY data necessary. This mean you go in get an xray and it is automatically reported no matter if it was good or bad or even requested as an official reading.
It is why in OFA here when I research a dog to breed to I can look up its littermates, and ancestorys and how many offspring produced that were clear. I do not have this option with PennHip. The French system too is "voluntary" in that you take your xray and submitt as you see fit for recording. OFA is also not mandatory so you get imnpartial results. _________________ Goldie Coats
Wyngold Britanys
Bend, OREGON, USA
The only thing that is voluntry in the UK is weather or not you have the hips exrayed at all. If you do then the xray goes to the BVA and it gets put on the KC web site, there you can check it any time you wish. You can allso check any other dog you want.
The x-rays are not automatically scored over here. It is up to the owner whether they want them done and if so they have to pay for it. There are an awful lot of bad x-rays that are not scored which is what keeps the averages artifically low. _________________ karen
Hey Karen....have you gone mad a got a Brittany then
_________________ Jan
Merlin, hips 9/9=18 and Ghillie, hips 8/9=17
Pull [n or v] An equal and opposite force perpetrated on both ends of a lead that results in the inevitable tripping and falling of the human involved!!
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