Yup, that too But now you are questioning integrity. Do we want to go down that road? _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:23 am Post subject: Re: Conformation
Is the outline more or less important than the colour which can, after all, be bred out within a couple of generations and which, if we are being honest, does not affect either their shape nor the ability of the dog to perform in the working field
I notice that no one has answered this yet I am asking about conformation not querying a judges ability to know whether or not the dog/bitch is good enough.
I'm not interested in what happens at the other end of the lead as we all know this goes on, where the judge is either not confident in his/her abilities or knows damn well that the dog is the top winner at the moment so they cannot go wrong if they put it up
Judges are a whole new subject and someone else can start that one off. _________________ Jan
Merlin, hips 9/9=18 and Ghillie, hips 8/9=17
Pull [n or v] An equal and opposite force perpetrated on both ends of a lead that results in the inevitable tripping and falling of the human involved!!
I guess you are saying: there is a Sable dog in the ring who is of good shape and another who is a correct colour but long in back????
It does not come into question as the Sable is not stated in the standard as a recognised colour.
Long in back, small head, bad mouth whatever. _________________ Jan
Merlin, hips 9/9=18 and Ghillie, hips 8/9=17
Pull [n or v] An equal and opposite force perpetrated on both ends of a lead that results in the inevitable tripping and falling of the human involved!!
I guess you are saying: there is a Sable dog in the ring who is of good shape and another who is a correct colour but long in back????
It does not come into question as the Sable is not stated in the standard as a recognised colour.
But neither is being long in the back stated in the standard as a recognised feature. So, the question remains which is the more serious fault, as per
Quote:
Any departure from the foregoing points should be considered a fault and the seriousness with which the fault should be regarded should be in exact proportion to its degree and its effect upon the health and welfare of the dog, and on the dog’s ability to perform its traditional work.
_________________ My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog already thinks I am.
As far as I am aware, having a long back, flat feet, no rib etc...would not affect the ability to work? look at some Springers who are low to ground with sometimes bowed legs...
Unless a dog was seriously undershot, that may affect its job in picking up birds, but again, if you had an undersize dog, you could say it would be unable to work normal ground or sugar beet?
So, on the physical side, I can't see any faults from the standard which would affect a dog.
Order of seriousness. yes, the Brittany is a Cob, but then, it is up to the judge to establish the seriousness of the defect. Some will tolerate big ears but not big heads, some a longer back than small and no bone etc...It is up to interpretation, hence I prefer the FCI standard
Clear and precise, and faults in order of seriousness. Do you know that loose skin under neck or around the head and jowels for example is quite a bad fault in our breed???
So what would a judge be expected to do if the majority of dogs in a class/show were 'long cast' _________________ Jan
Merlin, hips 9/9=18 and Ghillie, hips 8/9=17
Pull [n or v] An equal and opposite force perpetrated on both ends of a lead that results in the inevitable tripping and falling of the human involved!!
With-hold if they were not of suitable quality. That is always a Judge's prerogative. Obviously there are strict rules about what can and can't be with-held. _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
Lets take another look at this...forget the Breton for a minute...imagine a line up of Blue Orpington cockerels...one was not the recognised colour range for blue...no judge would place that bird...no judge would place a mismarked Golden Guernsey...no matter HOW GOOD IT WAS... _________________ "...amitie, respect mutuel et amour..."
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But now you are questioning integrity. Do we want to go down that road?
I am asking about conformation not querying a judges ability to know whether or not the dog/bitch is good enough.
