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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One couple of Americans came to France and I aired my feelings with them...I will not export to the US again, it is too far to get a dog back or how do you deal with the 7 month issue??????
I think the gentleman is trying to help Victoria or she will only and just be a puppy machine. That is NOT what I anticipated for this lovely little bitch. And I am gutted. I have had positive experiences with from Malta, Dubai and other places but obviously sold my dogs to the wrong people in the US. Rolling Eyes


Well Patricia I do not think there is a 7 month issue so long as a dog is microchipped and has documented Rabies with a Veterinarian.  Just your titers I would guess.  Many USA dogs have gone to Cruft's just following the regulations to get in.  How do they do that?   Maybe that is the place to look for a loophole in your system.  It is the same with sending a dog to NZ or Hawaii.  Hawaii now has a similar program that a dog that has had multiple Rabies vaccinations documented can get into hawaii with just one test and the vaccination history but the dog had to have a permanent ID (microchip) during all of the vaccinations.   Something you need to investigate and maybe considering the USA is considered Canine Rabies Free by the WHO that the policies can be looked at revised.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most have to have their mates sitting in their kennel....these are the puppy manufacturers in my mind.


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Most certainly.Exclamation   If you have bought good dogs with complementary lines there is no earthly reason why you should not use your own stud dog on your own bitch.  I have always done that!  My breeding has always been planned well in advance.  I don't buy a bitch then think when she is 2 years old - who can I mate her to. I don't think anyone would call me a puppy manufacturer with only 6 litters in 25 years  Wink  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Most certainly.Exclamation   If you have bought good dogs with complementary lines there is no earthly reason why you should not use your own stud dog on your own bitch.  I have always done that!  My breeding has always been planned well in advance.  I don't buy a bitch then think when she is 2 years old - who can I mate her to. I don't think anyone would call me a puppy manufacturer with only 6 litters in 25 years  Wink  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing


Well yes we all know of folks who do just like you.
But the situation here in the USA is different.  MANY, MANY folks go out and by a dog no matter the lines just to have a convenient stud dog on the "farm".  SAd but true....so much of the time in my interviews with prospective buyers it includes plans for breeding....Many dedicated USA competitors inthe AKC world controll access to breeding of bitches with co-ownerships.   It unfortunately still does not stop someone from disposing of the dog without papers or spaying or neutering a genetically good dog on a whim.

But all one has to do is peruse the many "breeders" advertising online and see they bought this dog from this place and this bitch form taht place and voila we have a breeding pair and many are breeding this dogs every heat cycle once they hit their second season.   I have some issues with some prospects that hail from know puppy mill states and specified locations.  But unlike say Patricia or anyone not familiar with a country they are seriously disadvantaged on knowing where and whom to contact for home visits and evaluations.

It is not a serious contention to argue about but I know like in the UK while I lived in Hawai before the days of using chilled semen etal one was forced to try and find a stud to have on hand.  Thankfully with advances in Veterinary reproduction we are no longer limited to just using the dog on hand if it is not the best match for your bitch.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why I like to go to France and see what dogs are up and coming. In the ring through the show and results through the Forum for field results. Then, try the best match for your bitch...
It may be many miles away, it may be close to home. It helps to know pedigrees too...
Going back to Victoria, and not knowing how these " puppy mills" work, how does one rectify the situation? Money????I guess that is the only thing that works??? Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just so glad Doogie landed lucky, I hope you can get some common sense across to these people!  Have you contacted Sherry?

Yes, Goldie, as I have said before our two countries are vastly different.  We don't have many big kennels with lots of dogs over here - just a few.  MAny people in the UK only have one or two dogs. I have only three now, although I did have a few more a few years ago.  My dogs are line bred and as someone said on here many dogs in the UK aren't.



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