I also feel that: yes, a dog should be well behaved so the judge can assess it properly, so if is is standing square, it is a lot easier to appreciate its qualities. It is after all a beauty show. But:
Also the judge should make allowances for youngsters, and if a dog does a couple a bounces in enthousiasm- after all we have a working gundog here and many Brits find the show ring a bore -should they not be forgiven if he/ she sees enough of the correct movement?
Also: some judges can be scary, rough, wear sunglasses or hats or ??
Some have previously mishandled a dog and it is worried. If it is anyhting like what I have seen in one of the rings in France, that could destroy a dog. Yes they should be well schooled, socialised etc... but still they are not robots and can be unpredictable like ALL animals. And have bad and good days...just like we do
Perhaps a club officer should ring him and ask what went on? All we are doing is speculating.
Since this Club Officer wasn't there I don't feel I can ask. Were there any other Officers there? Perhaps if there were you'd like to ask them to do so and put us all out of our collective speculation.
I have clearly stated above what the Kennel Club's position is. If this was not what happened then the exhibitors concerned have every right to ask the reason, in my opinion. Personally, I think I'd have asked him on the day, if my dog had been involved. _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
Hi All,
I agree with Patricia to a point, yes if pups play up it is expected but when you get up to Limit I feel both the dog and handler should know what is expected of them. After all all you want your dog to do is stand and run around a ring like a collected horse for only a few minutes in a week. The rest of the week should be filled with love, food, sleeping and walks. It is not much to ask of any dog don't you think.
I feel the problem lies with the little training the handler dose with there dog at home. Lots of handlers use the ring as there training ground then complain if there dog plays up and they don't get the prize they think they deserve.
I feel my one Brit Mabeleen always give of her best for me each week. The rest of the week is spent doing all of the above but if she dose something I don't like while in the ring I then try in the week between shows to put it right. I do not spend hours training her to stand still or run around the ring I just give a little time to it so she dosn't make me feel a plonker. I can do that all on my own Ha Ha.
Absolutely right, Gill. After the Junior class I would expect all dogs to stand still for inspection and move without too much bouncing around - enough to assess movement and soundness at any rate. Even Brittanys can be trained to do that.
In any case, until we see Mr McMaster's report we won't know what were his reasons for with-holding, if then............................ _________________ Annie
Handle every situation like a dog, if you can't eat it or play with it, just pee on it and walk away
I wasn't at National Gundog and thus didn't see what went on but I would like to ask those that were actually in the class and not placed why on earth didn't they go and ask the judge for his comments? Then there would have been no need for all this speculation. _________________ Jan
Merlin, hips 9/9=18 and Ghillie, hips 8/9=17
Pull [n or v] An equal and opposite force perpetrated on both ends of a lead that results in the inevitable tripping and falling of the human involved!!
Agreed Jan...Maybe the exhibitors were in shock
As for behaviour we all have our opinions! My feelings- and it only involves me- is that we are looking at conformation for possible breeding stock. So a perfectly behaved dog who never puts a foot wrong is great but...
As for the rest of the week's training, I am guilty of training for work and steadiness to the birds now arriving, ringcraft not being my highest priority
Perhaps they were but surely by the end of judging someone could have got up the gumption and gone and asked _________________ Jan
Merlin, hips 9/9=18 and Ghillie, hips 8/9=17
Pull [n or v] An equal and opposite force perpetrated on both ends of a lead that results in the inevitable tripping and falling of the human involved!!
Too right I would have done wouldn't you as well If my dog/s were fit and healthy and moved well [in my opinion]on the day then I certainly would have queried if he/she wasn't placed when there were only 4 in the class _________________ Jan
Merlin, hips 9/9=18 and Ghillie, hips 8/9=17
Pull [n or v] An equal and opposite force perpetrated on both ends of a lead that results in the inevitable tripping and falling of the human involved!!
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-should they not be forgiven if he/ she sees enough of the correct movement?
