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highclare
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too Jan.
On Tuesday the Welsh Springer judge with held 3rd in open bitch. I would agree with the judge as I would have done the same. 3rd in open bitch qualifies it for Crufts. I know the reason that this judge with held because it is very small and untypical. No one has ever with held from this bitch before but there has always been lots in the class so it has been unplaced.
The same judge at the same show then gave a dog who has never had better than a 4th at a Champ show, the CC. So I suppose if the same dog won all the time life would be boring.
To me there are great dogs, there are good well made dogs and there are crap dogs. I think there are great judges who have a natural eye for a good dog, good judges who try hard to fit the standard to the dogs and there are juges who can't judge a dog if there life depended on it. The fun is trying to get your dog to fit the judge. Ha Ha
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is so well said Cool
The ultimate fun is to debate it with other judges!!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats right Patricia,
The right word is FUN. If exibitors loose there sense of humor then life is hard.
It is only dog showing, I have a bitch that has won lots and I think people think that if she fails to win all the time that I am terrible upset well wrong.
The only thing that upsets me is if I get beaten by a judge who puts up there mates regardless to what the dogs looks like. That dose utmost harm to the breed in the long term. As Patricia said earler the reason for showing is to find good breeding stock and not to get one over on someone else.
So don't anyone come near me if I don't win at Bournmouth (only Kidding).
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So don't anyone come near me if I don't win at Bournmouth (only Kidding).[/quote]

That's OK Gill, I won't be there so you don't have Ghillie against you.......by the way who's judging Question  Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is Trish Grimes, she last judges at LKA and I got a 4th I think, so I don't expect much. Still I have my young Irish Setter to show in Puppy dog and I have had a Best pup in breed, two seconds and one third at Champ shows. I have hopes for him and I am having great fun showing him. Its like showing a Donkey compared to little Mabeleen!

Gill and the Mabeleen
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She gave Ghill a RCC at Windsor in 2005 with 7 in the open class. Perhaps we should have entered Exclamation
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Jan you should. I have just looked up her judging at Windsor and yes you did win a Rcc.
Whoops.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She gave Allez the RCC at LKA, but too far for me - in fact until I get a co-driver they are all too far for me except SKC.  We have no tickets and only 7 entered for the August show.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

highclare wrote:
I agree Jan you should. I have just looked up her judging at Windsor and yes you did win a Rcc.
Whoops.

Gill and the Mabeleen


I thought I had written it down right Twisted Evil  Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patricia wrote:
As for behaviour we all have our opinions!  My feelings- and it only involves me- is that we are looking at conformation for possible breeding stock. So a perfectly behaved dog who never puts a foot wrong is great but...
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I always thought that was the reason too but if so why do people show (and win with) dogs with faults such as bad hips, nasty temperament etc, etc.??



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