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doganjo
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't line breed you will get a variety of types, but I suppose in a litter with a few types you can then choose the one you want.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patricia wrote:
Line breeding: yes, but you have to know a fair way back and know the individual dogs, no? Thoughts?


That is so true.   I remember years ago someone newish to Weimaraners saying proudly that their dog went back to a certain champion on both sides.   We shuddered, knowing what an absolute b****r that dog was when he was alive.   Our memories went far enough back, but they were only going on pedigrees and photos.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the advantage of a new breed - 27 years is not long for memories to go back.

I remember Puk was a lovely gentleman of a dog, loved crawling through the heather when counting the grouse with Tommy Addison when he was up at Dunalastair for training, Rolline was a bit of a wee vixen at times, Ted was a gentle soul too but very clever, and Rolline just wanted to hunt - all day every day.  But no bad temperaments.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am lucky to chat to Georges Riva from time to time- as he teaches me so much- and the stories he tells me of his dogs, how big they were, how they hunted etc...Of course, Mieur Riva owned Crak and Varim (-des Sources Claires), I also have photos of Fench( which is Athos's grandfather but also grand sire to one of the latest Chs Uman du Bois Courcol belonging to Dominique Pozo.)
If I am after info, I simply ring and ask Very Happy
I find De Sous les Viviers breed back to Varim, The St Lubin go back a lot to Poker des Pigenettes, The Hameau de Sorny to Ska, the Keranlouan now line breed to Ebert and so it goes. You have a dog which is outstanding, and the pedigrees will have it often repeated.
Interestingly most " great dogs" will contain those particular animals. I am now thinking Indy de St Lubin too.
I really love pedigrees, but it is a bonus to know the dogs behind...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patricia, when you look at a pedigree, how many generations do you look at to see if there are common ancestors on both sides?

For anyone unsure about what line breeding and outcrossing is, this is a very well written and interesting article
http://www.geocities.com/learntobreed/linebreeding.html
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Lin Dyke
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that Annie, very interesting.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally did not go along with some of the statements. sorry... Confused
There is also a lot to be said for outcrossing.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, there is .......... if you know all that is behind the outcross, and the outcross itself is line bred; or you are bringing in the outcross to a line bred line.  Then you will set type.  Of course, you could set faults too, so line breeding should only be done with knowledge.

Which statements would you not go along with?  

Here is another article which is also very informative

http://www.westwindgsps.com/linebreeding.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too tired to read this tonight.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yup, it is a long one, sorry.  I had read it before, and suddenly remembered about it.  Have just finished my report so must email it to Paul before bed..



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