I should hope so Annie. But I thought that was the idea of doing this survey in the first place.
Jan
Does all that bumf mean you are getting on a little bit
It has occurred to me that in reality the proposed survey is unfortunately retrospective; had it been done prior to legislation being passed mayhaps it could have been used to petition against the bill. Unfortunately not only has the horse bolted but so has the stable door. _________________ "...amitie, respect mutuel et amour..."
Not so Victoria, it would not have made any difference to this goverment they would still have passed an anti-docking bill to cover all the other breeds where docking was an option within the KC standard. as it is we now have the choice as to whether or not we use a dog with or without the gene for taillessness [all things being equel] that is, of course, if one's bitch would co-operate and come into season
Jan
The natural tail in the Brittany is specific to the breed, perhaps even to this group. The legislation was not. Therefore any such survey would have had no effect whatsoever.
Annie
Whether the Breton has a natural taillessness or not, those of his race with tails have been historically docked along with many other working breeds since back in the mists of time. I still believe a survey presented as part of the case may have been useful. After all, to get the working dog exemption that is in place (UK) someone or something must have been used to petition the hallowed halls of Westminister. What would be very interesting is to ascertain the use of the exemption among the working dog fraternity.
It is not enough to leap up and down in glee and say "well we have the taillessness in our Breton, lets bogey"!! So if your bitches have one or two tailed whelps in their litters, what will you do with them if you only have orders for natural bobs? _________________ "...amitie, respect mutuel et amour..."
Which brings me to the breed standard and I quote "naturally tailless, short or customarilydocked" Unquote (the bold is my own). What time span is envisaged for a review (to comply with legislation) of this - what, give it a decade or 15 years and see what happens? Would this legislation halt the importations of dogs docked should other countries not enforce any ban? What are the bigger implications of this matter for breeders, owners, importers?? And before anyone says IT WILL HAPPEN (in every other country yet to consider this issue), it just might not! _________________ "...amitie, respect mutuel et amour..."
[quote="admin"]The natural tail in the Brittany is specific to the breed, perhaps even to this group. The legislation was not. Therefore any such survey would have had no effect whatsoever.
It matters not that the taillessness is race specific. As we have debated, the implications for the breed are HUGE and that in itself would have been if not powerful ammunication for exemption, at least a very tangible, valid, and strong vehicle for petition. _________________ "...amitie, respect mutuel et amour..."
Even this is not universal in the UK. There is only an exemption under very specific conditions in England and Wales, there is no exemption whatsoever in Scotland, and Ireland has not yet decided.
Therefore no end of appealing that one breed has natural short tails would have made the slightest bit of difference.
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naturally tailless, short or customarily docked
I understand from the KC that it will be a priority to reprint all relevant standards within a short space of time. "Custmarily docked" will be removed as far as I am aware. They had already advised Breed Clubs of revision to the tail clause in advance of the legislation and this was put into the standards last year. The standard on the KC website is the only correct UK standard.
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Would this legislation halt the importations of dogs docked
No it won't halt their importation, it just means they can't be shown in England & Wales(like all other docked dogs), and possibly Ireland too, once they have made their minds up, but NOT in Scotland as any dog may be shown here whether docked or not provided the docking was legal. We just aren't allowed to dock here at all. Neither are we allowed to take pups to any other country (i.e. across the border to England) for docking.
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It matters not that the taillessness is race specific.
Of course it doesn't - TO US!!! But nobody else has any wish to know! (except out of general interest) DEFRA didn't even know there were naturals before I told them. Nor did a number of our Politicians till I emailed them all.(This was FAR in advance of any legilsation being passed in any of the UK countries - late 2005 as I remember, so as you can see I have not just come up with this survey on the spur of the moment)
Our legislation is a total mess!!!!! But having said that it is the march of time, being overseen by 'do-gooders' and 'planet-savers' who have a strong lobby and will not stop in the UK, nor was the UK the first.
There are full details of all of our various bits of legislation on both the KC and CDB websites, perhaps also on the BASC one I think.
Annie
It matters not that the taillessness is race specific.
Of course it doesn't - TO US!!! But nobody else has any wish to know!
I can't accept that an argument such as the lethal gene associated with bobs in comparison to the damage done to spaniel tails in the rough would not have had some impact.
_________________ "...amitie, respect mutuel et amour..."
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