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Mugi · Bretonnier Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 1304

You didn't come over heavy Guy - I have been on the sidelines of an argument around photo copywrite in the past and I know it can be emotive.

My feeling is I will use no images unless give explicit permission and all images will only be used to promote the breed, create a display etc.
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Annie as admin · Bretonnier Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 1757

OK, I'm sorry, maybe it's just that my photo-taking capabilities are not of the quality required for money to be made out of them either by me or anyone else. I bow to your superior knowledge, but as I said I don't care what anyone does with my photos. Let's face it, what costs are there involved in digital photography nowadays? Not a lot - cameras are cheap, there's no longer any developing costs, all you need is a pc with standard software. Maybe I'm too philanthropic Rolling Eyes

And maybe that's why I'm poor. Embarassed

I'd rather the Club had any benefit than me personally. Embarassed

I just had a thought after browsing the HPR forum where there are loads of photos of other people and dogs taken by folk on a training day.(and on here too) Does that mean that if someone takes photos of you and your dog you don't own them - the photographer owns them, even if you don't know who the photographer is? That is just plain stupid. Rolling Eyes

In Africa, the Masai tribe have to be paid for you to take a photo of them, some tribes will attack anyone with a camera as they believe you are stealing a bit of their soul if you photograph them. Exclamation

Annie

johnhod · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 11:47 am Post subject:

The law on this can be quite complicated, so I don't claim to understand it particularly well but my interpretation is that you can take a photo of anyone in a public place and there is little they can do about it. In a place that is not open to the public, and in this I'd count training sessions and shows, you need the persons permission to take the photograph (unless they are incidental to another subject (as in you happened to be walking across the background when a shot is being taken). You could put a disclaimer into the application form for the event stating that photographs would be taken and it is up to the individual to inform the photographer that they did not wish to be included in any pictures.

That's my interpretaion but I'm sure Guy, Simon and the other serious photographers will be able to explain it better.
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Dave A · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject:

Hi Sue

I am looking forward to meeting you at the stand and hopefully talking to a few shooting folk who may be considering the breed. If i can find any suitable pics i will forward them to you.

Dave A
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guy · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject:

My daughter is a manager at a health and fitness centre. When they do parties for children, the children wear a coloured wristband if the parents don't wish them to be photographed and the authorised photographer has to wear a coloured band as well.

I think, but would stand corrected it is not the subject of the photograph but the 'composition' that is being protected.
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Mugi · Bretonnier Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 1304

johnhod · Posted: Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject:

There are a whole different set of rules relating to photographing children, to do with child protection issues rather than privicy, though recently JP Rowling failed in an attempt to stop pictures of her child being published, as they were taken in a public place
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Liz · Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:48 am Post subject:

The whole business of photographing children is a minefield. Bill does a lot of workshops with schools and youth organisations and it's a matter of getting permissions from schools, from parents, etc, etc, total nightmare trying to get it organised. Such a shame as the kids really love having a DVD of their work to take home to show the family.
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Annie as admin · Bretonnier Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 1757

I wonder if we are becoming too over-protective of ourselves. An awful lot of fun seems to have been taken away from things by all these legal regulations. I can see the point of copyright on words actually written by someone - I have writen hundreds of papers and articles and put a lot of time, thought, educational expertise, and knowledge into them, and expect them to be subject to copyright, it isn't a nice feeling to recognise your own words with someone else getting the credit, and when photography was complicated too - I used to develop and print my own work and the chemicals and paper were extrememly expensive. But as I say it is so easy to bea photographer these days with even the basic camera and a PC, and it is so easy to scan, alter slightly, and print. Hmm.................. I'm really not convinced about how copyright can work on photos nowadays.
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eddieh · Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:07 am Post subject:

I’m not sure if I’ve misunderstood what you mean Annie. If you mean that the ease with which people can manipulate a digital image makes it difficult to keep track of the owner of the copyright when it is extensively altered or used in part, I would possibly agree although, If you keep your original image, it is possible to prove that the image was produced by your camera.
I you mean that digital photography and the use of image editing software are less deserving of copyright protection, I think it is still not possible to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. There are certain people on this forum who make me pig sick with their pin sharp shots of action dog Evil or Very Mad

. It still takes a good knowledge of photography to consistently get good results and not miss unrepeatable opportunities. I would possibly argue that the digital medium enables people to fulfil their potential more quickly as they have instant access to their images and can be made aware of and correct their mistakes (in other words, learn) more quickly. I believe it is true that more manipulation is possible but for most straightforward photography, the same adjustments (Dodging, burning, cropping, exposure adjustment, colour balance, even spotting in a sense) are made whether we are talking film or digital